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yeah, that's been the common reaction, but I'm cautiously optimistic that people just aren't buying it anymore

i wasn't trying to "demote" him to asshole, in case that wasn't clear

nor was I, these are some pretty fucked up stories. good to see that it's getting a swift reaction.

Were they ever buying it? Shit has changed so much in the last month.

the whole "sex rehab" thing for this stuff is a punchline, nobody is defending Weinstein or Spacey or any of the other dozens of predatory men, Louis is finished

I think those kinds of excuses carried more weight previous to the Weinstein episode

well, Gay Talese defended Spacey, but i take yr point

xp

For someone as allegedly candid as he is, Louis' ongoing unwillingness to discuss (much less admit or apologize for) any of this is especially galling.

what IS 'sex rehab' -- you watch other men take their clothes off and note your disgust?

this one hits hard for me tbh; Louis had done such a good job of thriving outside the corporate system and has so consistently produced funny or at least consistently interesting work. So much of his persona (including the regular, clearly personally written emails to his list) is about connecting with you as a genuine person; it's just depressing that this is the payoff.
i just watched the most recent season of one mississippi which is very much about Louis in a pretty unveiled way; kinda prepared me for this to be on the way. really sucks that this immensely shitty behavior on his part torpedoed several womens' careers and looks set to destroy him too.

what IS 'sex rehab' -- you watch other men take their clothes off and note your disgust?

I feel like what's going to happen is CK apologizes profusely and claims he has some sort of diagnosed impulse control issue

Probably. Thinking of that weird anecdote in his old Marc Maron interview where he talks about spending all his money on a trumpet and then, well, jerking off on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5I-tUoBoSo

he probably DOES have some diagnosed impulse control issue but it's not like that absolves him of repeated really shitty behavior

NEW: Hotelier André Balazs sexually assaulted actress Amanda Anka. She and her husband Jason Bateman have gone on-record with NYT about the incident. https://t.co/5U7hSmInHg

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Oh totally

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His relationship to women has always been the worst part of his work

yes, and because i happen to be a woman, i can't just look past it. he is a selfish man who thinks shitty thoughts about people like me. just like woody allen, who i have also never liked. who apparently he wants to pay homage to in his ghastly-sounding got-the-plug-pulled-on-it new movie

philip roth too
i have no love for this type of man artist

has philip roth been accused of anything?

no he was mentioned as an example of man artists who have questionable ideas about women, upthread somewhere

i wonder if NYC MoMA will consider holding the screening of LCK's film I posted above as scheduled, and having a discussion of these issues afterward.

not a chance in hell i think

yeah, i would say his contenders screening will be pulled before the weekend if not sooner

not to turn this thread into a referendum on philip roth but i think that description maybe does his work a disservice

Since Charlie Chaplin married/impregnated 3 women before they were 18, can we impute "questionable ideas about women" to him? i'm not trying to be provocative, i want to know where the reasonable grounds are.

fwiw I think valuable art still can be made by deeply flawed/lousy people.

of course it can but arguing that point the same hour the story breaks misses the point entirely

yuck. im fine w ignoring Louis. don't care how good of an artist you are or how much you are fighting the man or whatever. im not gonna support that kind of behavior. his "art" was seemingly about vulnerability and honest self-examination yet this entire situation is the opposite of that. he's just coming across as a massive hack.

funny how the NYT broke just as we were discussing Louis, weird

I do feel bad for Charlie Day :(

Feel worse for the women Louis messed with, obviously

funny how the NYT broke just as we were discussing Louis, weird

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we were discussing him cos his premiere got pulled cos it was about to break

Since Charlie Chaplin married/impregnated 3 women before they were 18, can we impute "questionable ideas about women" to him?

absolutely imo

fwiw I'm not saying men in the present day shouldn't pay the price for this shit in the 'marketplace' and otherwise

forget i mentioned philip roth
i wouldn't have thought of him at all if he hadn't been mentioned above

(aside: i left a paper grocery bag with a handful of philip roth books near an elevator once -- i wrote FREE on the bag -- and then saw on facebook that i guy i work with found them and posted "i found a bag of philip roth books by the elevator but i'm afraid to touch them" and i loled because he didn't know who had left them there)

anyway i am surprised by how clueless louis ck is and how his stupid woody allen homage movie even got made at all. it sounds awful.

He made it with his own money, so.

this one hits hard for me tbh; Louis had done such a good job of thriving outside the corporate system and has so consistently produced funny or at least consistently interesting work. So much of his persona (including the regular, clearly personally written emails to his list) is about connecting with you as a genuine person; it's just depressing that this is the payoff.

but not to mention, isn't Woody Allen coming out with some ridiculous movie about a teen seducing her mother's boyfriend? i mean....

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A lot of you might remember that about two years ago, I created a series called Horace and Pete (still available at louisck.net). I paid for that show myself. When I did it, I told myself that I was parting with the money forever. It wasn’t an investment. It was a 4.5 million dollar grant to the "Make whatever the fuck I want" Foundation.
By that approach, I was able to make and roll out the show exactly the way I saw it, the way I wanted the audience (you) to see it, without any concern for commerce or profit.
In the end, the show made all the money back and more (with zero advertising) through website sales, and through licensing it to HULU, I was able to actually make a sizable profit for me and the actors and some of the crew, who own a piece of the show. That was a pretty good result.
So this year, I decided, I got the money back, I can throw it away again. This time to the "Make a Black and White Movie about a Shitty Father foundation.”
All that to say, that I want to really thank all of you who bought Horace and Pete because you gave me the freedom to make this movie.

Does Chaplin's art involve underage women? Not to have that whole art vs artist discussion, and everyone is going to draw their own lines, but personally it's a big factor for me (for ex. I can listen to Miles Davis and not think about his violence toward women, but would understand if others couldn't...it's a lot harder to do that with comedians who talk about their own lives).

woody still has a series on Amazon (that no one has watched). at what point is the industry going to stop giving him a break?

He made it with his own money, so.
geez he was that committed to this terrible idea?! of all the imaginative premises he could pursue, that's the movie he made with his own money? laaaaaaaaaame

also you are otm about music vs confessional personal standup comedy

Woody still makes money so, never

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Does Chaplin's art involve underage women?

iirc he included at least one of these underage women in his films? Morbz correct me if I'm wrong here, I forget

yeah the separate the art from the artist thing is particularly difficult in CK's case

i don't watch old ass silent movies anyway fuck charlie chaplin

*overdone facial expressions*
*walk weirdly fast*
*tinkly piano music*

In most of Chaplin's films the heroine is simply The Girl (as was common in silent films), and obviously the lack of explicit sexuality in that era made the "underage" factor less obviously relevant. Paulette Goddard (wife #3) plays a girlish "gamin" in Modern Times, and she seems to be his romantic partner by the fadeout, but The Tramp didn't really seem to have an age (CC played him from 25 to 47 if my math is right). Also Goddard was in her mid 20s, so she was just playing younger.

yeah well upp miss, fuck yr cable-TV standup heroes

at what point is the industry going to stop giving him a break?

when he's convicted of something?

I love several Roth novels but haven't wanted to reread him.

in one night ums has destroyed adult animation and buster keaton

not to turn this thread into a referendum on philip roth but i think that description maybe does his work a disservice

iirc claire bloom called roth a misogynist after their breakup; i never heard of any specific incidents

not that his work is without merit, but the sheer relentlessness of writing sexually fucked-up protagonists -- several of whom are named 'philip roth' -- for half a century makes him pretty suspect to me

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time? worth remembering he was born in the 1880s, p much a different universe in every way to our own. i mean child labor wasn't even banned till the late 30s.

"when he's convicted of something?"

weinstein, spacey, cosby, et all haven't been convicted of anything.

xp mores were different back then. eugenics was hip

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time?

there were some scandalous legal proceedings, so yes

Adam otm that everyone should read Hollywood Babylon imo

did we ever talk about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/31/tippi-hedren-alfred-hitchcock-sexually-assaulted-me

weinstein, spacey, cosby, et all haven't been convicted of anything.

their crimes also don't bear much resemblance to what Allen's been accused of imo