Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

I think UMS was just joking.

Chaplin wife #1, Mildred Harris, was an actress in other films, not his. Wife #2, Lita Grey, did 3 of his films, before and after their affair/marriage. He married Oona O'Neill (not an actress) as soon as she turned 18.

The 16-year-old Harris met actor Charlie Chaplin in mid-1918, dated, and came to believe she was pregnant by him, but the pregnancy was found to be a false alarm. They married privately on October 23, 1918, in Los Angeles. She subsequently did become pregnant.[3] The couple quarreled about her contract with Louis B. Mayer and her career. Chaplin felt she was not his intellectual equal. Their child Norman Spencer died in July 1919, at only three days of age,[4][5] and the couple separated in the autumn of 1919.

Grey married four times. By her own account, she first met Charlie Chaplin at the age of eight at a Hollywood café and first worked with him at the age of twelve in the part of the “flirting angel” in The Kid.[3] She appeared briefly as a maid in The Idle Class. Her one-year contract was not renewed. At the age of fifteen she met Chaplin again when she heard he was testing brunettes for his The Gold Rush.[4] They had an affair and she suspected she had become pregnant by the then-thirty-five-year-old Chaplin. As he could have been imprisoned for having sexual relations with a minor, they married that November in secret in Empalme, Sonora, Mexico to avoid a scandal. They had two sons, Charles Chaplin Jr. (1925–1968) and Sydney Chaplin (1926–2009).

I was a huge fan of Louis -saw two live shows, watched & enjoyed both tv shows, cried during the Maron two-parter, the whole nine.

But when Jen Kirkman “outed” him, I started to back away. I had never heard any of the rumors before then.

since then, I havent watched or heard him talk hardly at all. i just flipped the switch to NOPE.

Sometimes I can separate art from behavior, but this is all of a piece for him & he’s clearly made a career out of what is apparently deeply troubling sexual dysfunction

I’m not surprised, I’m not shook.. this one, I’m 100% ready for.

^ yup

All the white guys going "oh man, not Louis CK" now have some idea of how bougie black America felt when the Bill Cosby shit began to hit the fan.

VG OTM

FTR i am just winding you up about cartoons and silent movies...

i have enjoyed CK as a comedian, didn't really take to the show though...but now i can't see engaging w/anything he's done

his last special had a real dark suicidal vibe to it IMO i don't even want to speculate what weird realms of delusion/self-destructiveness/hubris drove him to do this film that was clearly going to destroy him, but you know what? sounds like he destroyed people too just like all these men

Awful thread, but the next step in the national conversation.

when's the first time a man jerked off in front of you without your consent?

I'll go first: when I was 12, a man on the L train jerked off in front of me and my friends

— eve peyser (@evepeyser) November 9, 2017

I’m not surprised, I’m not shook.. this one, I’m 100% ready for.

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:56 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pretty much this. I loved his show on FX, my partner and I eagerly awaited every standup special...and after reading the Jen Kirkman stuff, it was, ok, no, he's just a fucking low-life creep.

I'm fairly sure (based on a lot of things) he has legit issues but he also clearly didn't feel the need to actually deal with them or be accountable in any way

Tangentially, I'm hearing rumours that Campaign magazine has been gathering information on certain powerful people involved with UK advertising, past and present, which unsurprisingly has been a breeding ground for misogyny and bad behaviour, much like Mad Men portrayed in the US.

he also clearly didn't feel the need to actually deal with them or be accountable in any way

he probably considers his work "dealing" with it

DJP, I don't doubt it... and, though i get your point as being race related, it should be noted that this bougie white guy stand up fan of a certain age felt the same way hearing about Cosby!

UMS, Louis' last special actually ended with him explicitly saying that suicide was never justifiable as things tend to eventually get better iirc

^^^ yes that's probably correct xp

Tangentially, I'm hearing rumours that Campaign magazine has been gathering information on certain powerful people involved with UK advertising, past and present, which unsurprisingly has been a breeding ground for misogyny and bad behaviour, much like Mad Men portrayed in the US.

― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:06 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh heaven forfend Charles Satchel has been doing even worse stuff than the stuff we know about

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time?

Eugene O'Neill found the third one fairly controversial.

^fourth one

totally loved Cosby as a kid and teen -- the LPs more than the TV stuff -- but i bailed on the blockbuster sitcom fairly early cuz it froze its style in place pretty quickly, and i quit watching sitcoms in general (w/ few exceptions) around '84. Then I heard the 'he's a jerk' stories from comedy people, and then...

Sorry, miscounted my Charlie Chaplin child brides.

Paulette Goddard was the fully adult one you skipped

Ugh, Laura Silverman recounting her experience with Louis CK on that twitter thread linked above:

After that, it’s was Louis C.K., on a cross country trip before he was famous. About 20 times. Not criminal. But compulsive, rude & gross.

— Laura Silverman (@LauraJSilverman) November 9, 2017

it never occurred to me that sarah silverman had a sister and that that sister was laura silverman. weird.

they play twin brothers on Bob's Burgers!

All the white guys going "oh man, not Louis CK" now have some idea of how bougie black America felt when the Bill Cosby shit began to hit the fan.

to expand on DJP's thought here a bit, I think this stings more than any of the other figures to get named so far (at least for me) because I recognize a lot of myself in CK's material - the self-hatred, depression, hopelessness, the mocking of male fragility and entitlement, etc. It's easy to be feel distanced from a super-powerful, ultra-rich mogul like Weinstein who's not really any kind of creative figure anyone would be attached to for any conceivable reason. I can't speak to what people associated with w/r/t Cosby but the combination of strong personal association w/ the work + repellent private behavior is quite a thing.

they play siblings on the Sarah Silverman Show

xp

It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever

his "art" was seemingly about vulnerability and honest self-examination

Like they say about sincerity, once you can fake that...

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

there's only so much straight-man angst i can take, too, but a heavy cut in my intake of pop culture in the last 20 years has helped.

It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago)

sad but true

famous strangers? don't.

omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in there

i can't feel emotional about these dudes and their sad bastard lives. i loved Mad Men for example but i was never really that moved by Don Draper crying with his 17th mistress.

conversely i think when i watched GLOW recently on Netflix, i was blindsided by how moving the show was (in addition to how enjoyable it was.) probably in the context of more recent events, and the friendships depicted, and the pretty nasty low level misogyny (that felt real for not being OTT.)

alt comics! of course.

geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.
not just you
i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way

i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc

again -- Steve Martin has not been accused of anything -- I am only using that as an example of expressing "wow that's gross" and being disregarded

just gonna plug "The Deuce" here which is in no way about that and is def prestige TV and v much about the struggles of women in a deeply misogynistic environment

xp

Shocked at how many of y’all identify with his shitty “wahh im such a mess” comedy

i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way

i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:05 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've been increasingly sensitive to films that depict any kind of bad boy behavior as a badge of honor, or as something entertaining or illuminating. i mean occasionally it can be great art that undercuts the behavior but all too often it just weirdly reinforces it in culture as some kind of rite of passage for men. it encourages men to recognize themselves in it, and accept it as a way that men are. i guess that's a long winded way of saying i don't think a lot of this art really grapples with it in a way that's fair to women.

omar otm

yeah some of us are real suckers for low comedy idk what to tell you

are we really doing this

omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in there

Happily* it is no longer the '90s and alternative comics are now swollen with self loathing introspective complex lives of women

*nb I love Joe & Chet! but there's way more out there now that seems descended from Julie, and it's better.

laura silverman also played laura on DR. KATZ, which had louis as a guest

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bAURFNdxXvI

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017 5:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the sad legacy of pathetic woody allen.

Lol he didnt invent it

I don't think he did, but now more than ever I believe that he will be partly remembered for that at one point in culture history.

definitely not, really put a shine on the aesthetic and made the neurotic self-deprecator charming

it's really hard to do, because self-deprecation only appeals to a subset of the populace, and even then only if done with restraint

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017

you dislike Tolstoy?

lol

https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/exmad-men-writer-alleges-matthew-weiner-sexual-harassment.html

but what about the early funny ones, VHS?