Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Paulette Goddard was the fully adult one you skipped

Ugh, Laura Silverman recounting her experience with Louis CK on that twitter thread linked above:

After that, it’s was Louis C.K., on a cross country trip before he was famous. About 20 times. Not criminal. But compulsive, rude & gross.

— Laura Silverman (@LauraJSilverman) November 9, 2017

it never occurred to me that sarah silverman had a sister and that that sister was laura silverman. weird.

they play twin brothers on Bob's Burgers!

All the white guys going "oh man, not Louis CK" now have some idea of how bougie black America felt when the Bill Cosby shit began to hit the fan.

to expand on DJP's thought here a bit, I think this stings more than any of the other figures to get named so far (at least for me) because I recognize a lot of myself in CK's material - the self-hatred, depression, hopelessness, the mocking of male fragility and entitlement, etc. It's easy to be feel distanced from a super-powerful, ultra-rich mogul like Weinstein who's not really any kind of creative figure anyone would be attached to for any conceivable reason. I can't speak to what people associated with w/r/t Cosby but the combination of strong personal association w/ the work + repellent private behavior is quite a thing.

they play siblings on the Sarah Silverman Show

xp

It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever

his "art" was seemingly about vulnerability and honest self-examination

Like they say about sincerity, once you can fake that...

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

there's only so much straight-man angst i can take, too, but a heavy cut in my intake of pop culture in the last 20 years has helped.

It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago)

sad but true

famous strangers? don't.

omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in there

i can't feel emotional about these dudes and their sad bastard lives. i loved Mad Men for example but i was never really that moved by Don Draper crying with his 17th mistress.

conversely i think when i watched GLOW recently on Netflix, i was blindsided by how moving the show was (in addition to how enjoyable it was.) probably in the context of more recent events, and the friendships depicted, and the pretty nasty low level misogyny (that felt real for not being OTT.)

alt comics! of course.

geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.
not just you
i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way

i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc

again -- Steve Martin has not been accused of anything -- I am only using that as an example of expressing "wow that's gross" and being disregarded

just gonna plug "The Deuce" here which is in no way about that and is def prestige TV and v much about the struggles of women in a deeply misogynistic environment

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Shocked at how many of y’all identify with his shitty “wahh im such a mess” comedy

i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way

i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:05 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've been increasingly sensitive to films that depict any kind of bad boy behavior as a badge of honor, or as something entertaining or illuminating. i mean occasionally it can be great art that undercuts the behavior but all too often it just weirdly reinforces it in culture as some kind of rite of passage for men. it encourages men to recognize themselves in it, and accept it as a way that men are. i guess that's a long winded way of saying i don't think a lot of this art really grapples with it in a way that's fair to women.

omar otm

yeah some of us are real suckers for low comedy idk what to tell you

are we really doing this

omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in there

Happily* it is no longer the '90s and alternative comics are now swollen with self loathing introspective complex lives of women

*nb I love Joe & Chet! but there's way more out there now that seems descended from Julie, and it's better.

laura silverman also played laura on DR. KATZ, which had louis as a guest

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bAURFNdxXvI

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017 5:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the sad legacy of pathetic woody allen.

Lol he didnt invent it

I don't think he did, but now more than ever I believe that he will be partly remembered for that at one point in culture history.

definitely not, really put a shine on the aesthetic and made the neurotic self-deprecator charming

it's really hard to do, because self-deprecation only appeals to a subset of the populace, and even then only if done with restraint

i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.

― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017

you dislike Tolstoy?

lol

https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/exmad-men-writer-alleges-matthew-weiner-sexual-harassment.html

but what about the early funny ones, VHS?

ilxor soundbites on Morning Edition

i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way

i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:05 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm!! Like almost all of literature ever. Oh it's about the human condition? Yes as seen by a man, in relation to other men.

Just read the wiki about "Shopgirl",

I mean, all of it...... uh..

But this:

While on tour, the band's lead singer introduces Jeremy to the world of self-improvement and how to better relate to the opposite sex.

.. uh, what?

take this pill

It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever

― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago)

sad but true

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:27 (yesterday) Permalink

if only it were possible to admire a woman

florence nightingale

andy zaltzman to thread

wait what

this is literally the last thread on ilx you should be posting '[male comedian] to thread' to in the service of a quip

I think that's a reference to the Florence Nightingale Hottie from History running joke on the Bugle. Not a thread to drop names in randomly imo

My heroes lately are all women.

Mariah Carey?

https://www.facebook.com/EllenPage/posts/10155212835577449

^^^ this is a great read

wow

she is fantastic

homegirl represent!!!!

yeah, that’s powerful stuff