it never occurred to me that sarah silverman had a sister and that that sister was laura silverman. weird.
― akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
they play twin brothers on Bob's Burgers!
― Nhex, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
All the white guys going "oh man, not Louis CK" now have some idea of how bougie black America felt when the Bill Cosby shit began to hit the fan.
to expand on DJP's thought here a bit, I think this stings more than any of the other figures to get named so far (at least for me) because I recognize a lot of myself in CK's material - the self-hatred, depression, hopelessness, the mocking of male fragility and entitlement, etc. It's easy to be feel distanced from a super-powerful, ultra-rich mogul like Weinstein who's not really any kind of creative figure anyone would be attached to for any conceivable reason. I can't speak to what people associated with w/r/t Cosby but the combination of strong personal association w/ the work + repellent private behavior is quite a thing.
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
they play siblings on the Sarah Silverman Show
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever
― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
his "art" was seemingly about vulnerability and honest self-examination
Like they say about sincerity, once you can fake that...
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
i alluded to it a bit upthread but geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
there's only so much straight-man angst i can take, too, but a heavy cut in my intake of pop culture in the last 20 years has helped.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago)
sad but true
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:27 (six years ago) link
famous strangers? don't.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in there
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
i can't feel emotional about these dudes and their sad bastard lives. i loved Mad Men for example but i was never really that moved by Don Draper crying with his 17th mistress.
conversely i think when i watched GLOW recently on Netflix, i was blindsided by how moving the show was (in addition to how enjoyable it was.) probably in the context of more recent events, and the friendships depicted, and the pretty nasty low level misogyny (that felt real for not being OTT.)
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
alt comics! of course.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
geez am i ever over the self-loathing introspection complex lives of men as depicted on TV and in film and in lit and comedy, and the women who rotate around them like patient planets who eventually vanish to be replaced by other planets. i mean god bless these gentlemen and their inner darkness really, but who needs that shit? it's over represented and i don't find it moving or interesting anymore. that's just me though.not just youi (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way
i remember clearly being grossed out and disappointed by Steve Martin's Shopgirl and most of my friends were like geez stfu already it's not that bad iirc
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
again -- Steve Martin has not been accused of anything -- I am only using that as an example of expressing "wow that's gross" and being disregarded
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
just gonna plug "The Deuce" here which is in no way about that and is def prestige TV and v much about the struggles of women in a deeply misogynistic environment
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
Shocked at how many of y’all identify with his shitty “wahh im such a mess” comedy
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
i (and many other women) have been expressing this thought only to be told that we are overreacting or not appreciating fine art in the right way
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:05 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i've been increasingly sensitive to films that depict any kind of bad boy behavior as a badge of honor, or as something entertaining or illuminating. i mean occasionally it can be great art that undercuts the behavior but all too often it just weirdly reinforces it in culture as some kind of rite of passage for men. it encourages men to recognize themselves in it, and accept it as a way that men are. i guess that's a long winded way of saying i don't think a lot of this art really grapples with it in a way that's fair to women.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
omar otm
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
yeah some of us are real suckers for low comedy idk what to tell you are we really doing this
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
omar don't forget alternative comic books! a metric shit ton of self loathing introspection complex lives of men up in thereHappily* it is no longer the '90s and alternative comics are now swollen with self loathing introspective complex lives of women*nb I love Joe & Chet! but there's way more out there now that seems descended from Julie, and it's better.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
laura silverman also played laura on DR. KATZ, which had louis as a guesthttp://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bAURFNdxXvI
― maura, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017 5:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the sad legacy of pathetic woody allen.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
Lol he didnt invent it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
I don't think he did, but now more than ever I believe that he will be partly remembered for that at one point in culture history.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 November 2017 03:00 (six years ago) link
definitely not, really put a shine on the aesthetic and made the neurotic self-deprecator charming
it's really hard to do, because self-deprecation only appeals to a subset of the populace, and even then only if done with restraint
― mh, Friday, 10 November 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, November 9, 2017
you dislike Tolstoy?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:11 (six years ago) link
lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/exmad-men-writer-alleges-matthew-weiner-sexual-harassment.html
― j., Friday, 10 November 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link
but what about the early funny ones, VHS?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:48 (six years ago) link
ilxor soundbites on Morning Edition
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 November 2017 13:15 (six years ago) link
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:05 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm!! Like almost all of literature ever. Oh it's about the human condition? Yes as seen by a man, in relation to other men.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
Just read the wiki about "Shopgirl",
I mean, all of it...... uh..
But this:
While on tour, the band's lead singer introduces Jeremy to the world of self-improvement and how to better relate to the opposite sex.
.. uh, what?
― Mark G, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
take this pill
― President Keyes, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
It is just so much safer not to ever admire anyone ever― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago)sad but true― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:27 (yesterday) Permalink
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:27 (yesterday) Permalink
if only it were possible to admire a woman
― conrad, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
florence nightingale
― j., Friday, 10 November 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
andy zaltzman to thread
― drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
wait what
― imago, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
this is literally the last thread on ilx you should be posting '[male comedian] to thread' to in the service of a quip
― imago, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
I think that's a reference to the Florence Nightingale Hottie from History running joke on the Bugle. Not a thread to drop names in randomly imo
― President Keyes, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
My heroes lately are all women.
― omar little, Friday, 10 November 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
Mariah Carey?
― StanM, Friday, 10 November 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/EllenPage/posts/10155212835577449
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link
^^^ this is a great read
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
wow
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 10 November 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
she is fantastic
― omar little, Friday, 10 November 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
homegirl represent!!!!
― Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
yeah, that’s powerful stuff
― drinkmaster sealcup at yr service (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
I Love You, Daddy release cancelled by distributor: https://pitchfork.com/news/louis-cks-i-love-you-daddy-film-release-canceled/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video
― flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
Sounded like an awful idea
― Mark G, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link