Rolling Comic Book thread 2017

In a nutshell: Julie was a different sort of guy when his wife jean was alive (when he was also Pasko’s mentor); after Pasko moved out west to pursue tv Julie’s wife passed away; this was when he became DC’s ‘goodwill ambassador’ at shows etc. Pasko heard the stories and tried to deny it to himself, eventually couldn’t. States he is not an apologist and says Julie’s behavior was wrong.

On a side note, is there anything I could read about the bias against Kubert school students at DC?

prolly just Truman and Bissette interviews in TCJ circa 1995

the Bissette one was fire emoji x3 btw, I photocopied the whole thing to be able to read bits to people about the intersection and clashes between art and business

all right, I was searching for that interview to see if it was online and stumbled on a different one, with a passage about Alan Moore's scripts for Swamp Thing that I have to share because it's great

Alan’s scripts were dense. They were like long, narrative letters to the cartoonist. And they were playful in a lot of ways, too. We did a two-part zombie story that was set in the antebellum South. And Alan’s script for the first page of the first issue, it was a page where you’re underground and you’re looking at a body in a coffin. And in every panel description, Alan had a beetle family. He had a description to me of the beetle family, that these two beetles are on the body, and they’re arguing. Now this is nothing I was supposed to draw, it was just like a joke. And at the sixth panel, he said “I’ve decided to kill the beetles. They don’t have any character potential, and there’s no future for them in this comic series.”

(excerpt from here: https://www.avclub.com/steve-bissette-1798217824)

ha ha, from there:

> AVC: You’ve also criticized the Crisis On Infinite Earths crossover in Swamp Thing #46, which was an odd interruption.

> SB: Oh God, that was a nightmare. And you read it now in the context of the collected issues, and suddenly it’s like “What is this?” And we were forced to take part in it.

that was the first one i ever read

I still think it's the best part of crisis!

The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.

― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:23

So you stopped buying Marvel stuff? (Joking)

That isn't a joke.

huh I had no idea about this Julie Schwartz stuff

oh well

xp

Every so often I forget how anxious many comic artists and illustrators are about having an old fashioned style. I've seen many people fret about that. Neal Adams has said he had bad dreams about people criticizing him for not drawing like manga.

I think this is part of why so much comic and book illustration and even films look so ugly because for a lot of them modern = the newest kind of shiny and fake.

Been thinking about how many musicians regret trying to keep up with trends and that maybe a lot of them skipped over a well of great music because they felt they had to keep reinventing themselves with each album.

I appreciated some of the points in Reynolds Retromania but there should also be a book exploring what a cancer it can be to be scared of looking stuck in the past.

How many of you have seen Herb Trimpe's horrible 90s art? I later heard it was an intentional parody of the 90s "hot" artist style but it was truly awful and I'd guess kind of a fuck you to the pressure put on older artists who were afraid of looking uncool. Several years ago Jerry Ordway wrote a blog about feeling left behind and editors responded to it and gave him more work.
As much as I feel sorry for these older artists and think they were usually superior to the "hot" artists, I don't think comic companies were obligated to give them work. I think Gene Colan was one of those under pressure but even at his wonkiest (I think there were health and eyesight problems) he was one of their best artists. Like Neal Adams, he never seemed old fashioned to me.

Saw that Doris Sutherland wrote a short article about Lady Death in Belladonna magazine, I had a surprisingly exciting dream about huge thick collections of the Chaos era stories (I told Sutherland about this too) as I never thought I'd give any of this another look and despite knowing there's a good chance I'd regret buying the small 90s collections, I couldn't kick the craving, I bought four of them.

Don't know why the craving remained. Steven Hughes was one of the better artists of his type and his main colorist was decent as far as these things go(I don't care for the later artists). Might have been the unexpectedly cool plot synopses, there's enough ideas in there for a really good sword and sorcery novel.
There's no way the ideas will be given their full potential in these comics (so many demons wearing bikinis might be a clue) but it's a stark contrast to recently reading through the last decade of Spiderman synopses that surely can't be as stupid as they sound.

If I'm ever going to get them, it might as well be now because they might never be reprinted. Pulido had to sell most of his characters and another publisher nearly stole Lady Death from him a few years ago, so I don't think he or anyone else has the rights to reprint Chaos Comics.

A big part of the retrospective appeal of this era of comics is that I think most people who bought them did not follow them consistently enough to follow the story and they didn't get collected editions often.
Which is part of why listening to Joe McCulloch's review of the Faust 777 series was so fun. How many people read Faust 777 from start to finish?

I think I heard McCulloch (or maybe one of his associates?) remark how silly Ms Mystic was. Would love to hear his overview of that series.

There's a listing for Breccia's Mort Cinder from Fantagraphics in July.

Santiperez recently had American comics come out but despite his skills I'm not totally into it.
This guy Corominas was also from the Toutain version of Creepy and this book of his looks awesome. The bad guy looks quite Trumpish on the cover too.

http://artbyarion.blogspot.com/2016/04/tragaldabas-enrique-jimenez- corominas.html

His version of Dorian Grey is quite something too.
https://corominas.viewbook.com/album/doriangray

http://artbyarion.blogspot.com/2016/04/tragaldabas-enrique-jimenez-corominas.html

http://www.loiclocatelli.com/post/159951034303/persephone

Al Ewing, formerly of this parish, has recently added “Oh, <name>paws” to the vocabulary of the Marvel universe, for which he is I unserstand writing every book. The recipient of the upbraiding was a thinly disguised Steve Bannon.

oh man which book was it?

Al is an absolute fucking treat and I hope he browses in an idle moment, because I have loved his work

You are gonna have to show me a clip of an 'oh blank paws' but if marvel dialogue

holding out for galactus to apply his great machines to the task of transforming a face into a heart

- HERALD, WHY HAVE YOU CHOSEN THIS PLANET?
- because it look intersting

As requested: https://imgur.com/a/ubvwv

I feel like I've seen Al use ILX-specific terminology in a Marvel comic before. (Unwashed) Hats off to him either way.

ha, this is awesome

oh god yes, read that and forgot about it

wow that's kinda... terrible lol

thank you for providing.
that is kinda terrible, but also kinda awesome

the paws joke never made any sense so.. yeah...

oh, Nhexpaws

Really enjoyed Al Ewing's Rocket Racoon, and his stint on Doctor Who (my gf was also very impressed by that having a library assistant character, apparently Al knows his onions).

I started this year with a very half-arsed project to re-read all my comics. So half-arsed, in fact, that I am still at A. Art Out Of Time: Unknown Comic Visionaires 1900-1969 remains an awesome anthology, so much weird stuff in there. It first introduced me to Herbie! However, trying to read the tiny tiny word baloons in a lot of the stuff from the 00's/10's made me remember the times when I had both the eyesight and the tenacity to do that. #justmortalitythings

That book was a huge deal at the time. I never got the sequel Art In Time but I might sometime.

Ordered the three Tor by Joe Kubert hardcovers then had to cancel when I found out they give them the standard Archives/Masterworks cruelty.

Sick bastards.

sadly the thread where "oh, wrinklepaws" originated was deleted

The Tor series by DC in the 70s and Marvel in the 90s are the best option left, though far from complete.

original thread quoted in here i think:
I'm old here, so what is... 'Oh, Wrinklepaws'?

the real tragedy here is the loss of "oh, wrinklepaws".

― haitch (haitch), Saturday, April 8, 2006 12:33 AM (eleven years ago)

A few months ago I was enjoying someone's intelligent book reviews until I got to their review of a Molly Crabapple book. I have no idea what to make of her accusing Crabapple of being a turbo-capitalist co-opting important issues but I was quite shocked that she seemed to be saying that Crabapple's stories about being sexually harassed by men in her travels didn't count because she'd danced for rich white men. Someone else seemed to accuse her of making it all up.

I didn't really have the confidence or patience to look over it and criticize them. I was a bit stressed and doubted my perception and didn't want to get somebody into shit if I was completely wrong.

Is any of this talk familiar to you guys?

I'm a little bit paranoid my bringing this up will somehow catch Crabapple's attention and these people (who may or may not have said awful things) would be inundated by her angry fans.

Watched a little Image Comics documentary and Jim Lee said there was a meeting in which Rob Liefeld was jumping up and down on a bed. It showed a bunch of tv appearances Liefeld had, talks about meeting with Tom Cruise and Spielberg being interested in doing an Image thing. I thought it was Stephenson and Larsen that started the shift in the company but it was really Jim Valentino.

yes, because Valentino came from Aardvark-Vanaheim and Renegade (& al), so knew that indie publishers existed and proportionally paid better, with no interference. his entire "mainstream" career was only about two years?

I meant the shift towards more genres and styles that were different than the founders.

don’t forget the very special issue of Spawn where he met Cerebus

Both issues of Splitting Image came out before Spawn #10 tbf

Leslie Stein and Emily Flake getting good New Yorker placement
https://www.newyorker.com/sections/humor/the-man-with-a-discman
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/04/young-and-dumb-inside

did you miss the gabrielle bell page a couple of weeks ago about taking care of my elderly dog?

(I think it was online edition only but - highly recommended)

I did!
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/adventures-in-geriatric-dogsitting

That's great

Can't remember if I posted this before or someone else.
https://www.comics.org/issue/247718/cover/4/

ha, that ny’er piece is great