There seems to be enough room for reasonable doubt, seeing as she did not have the wallet in her possession when the coke was found there. But still, how horrible.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
and she still hasn't had her revenge
xpost
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:00 (six years ago) link
So angry rn...
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:15 (six years ago) link
ninety-nine times out of a hundred the "mossad agents have been tailing me and likely framed me for drug possession" is a bad defense, but...
― mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
ok are we seriously all gonna multi-otm "burn everything down and start over"
maybe I should start a thread about how society is irretrievably corrupted and broken and humans are rotten oh wait I think we already have one for e.m. cioran quotes
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
let me be the first to apologize for being a disgusting incrementalist
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
burn it all down otm, imo
there are two kinds of people: those who have faith in the system & its ability to self correct, and those who see it as fundamentally fucked up
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
a lot of people i know who have the most faith in the system see it in the most clear-minded way; those are the more right wing types who appreciate the advantages it has given them
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
I don't agree with that either because I am both of those people
I ensure all my new employees are familiar with the word "sisyphean"
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
yeah idk burning everything down only works if you include everyone in your new world
if you're too selective, you don't get Sisyphus deciding not to roll the boulder, you get... Atlas shrugging
― mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
I mean yes, the system is fundamentally fucked up, because it is made of human beings
but also, deliberate incremental change is less likely to result in wholesale destruction and mass murder and plundering and so forth
or what mh said
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
burn it all down is the goal, though
― mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
The biggest problem with burning it all down is that the people with access to the resources that will allow you to start over usually use those resources to the see the fire coming and either abscond with as much of them as they can, making the "start over" part even harder than it already is, or insert themselves into the process of starting over so they can make sure the new system still benefits them.
I think there is a lot of romantic appeal to hitting the reset button but navigating the practicality of actually doing it is fraught with peril; I won't say that makes it not worth doing but it should be taken into consideration in your planning.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
What does "burn it all down" mean in concrete terms? Boycotting Hollywood movies?
― jmm, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
arson, imo
― mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
Concrete beams don't burn
― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
being shitty to women is the foundation of modern civilizationi hope we can burn it down but i would like to suggest controlled burns until we can get a better idea of how to proceed when the burning is complete
rebecca traister's most recent article is a series of truth bombs we can start with
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
humanity is wretched and violent and always will be imo
― marcos, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
the world is mean and man uncouth!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
https://www.spin.com/featured/fyf-fest-sean-carlson-sexual-harassment-assault-allegations/
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
are we going to get into the "it's possible to set goals that are persistent because you never completely reach them" discussion again? because I think they're useful
no more misogynyno more harassmentno more
― mh, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
the only problem is when you set goals that you never get started on because oh what's the use
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
LL you mean this one right
https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/rebecca-traister-on-the-post-weinstein-reckoning.html
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
yes
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
la lechera otmimo it’s a shitty look to pile-on the “burn it all down” sentimentif there is anywhere that “burn it all down” should be otm’d repeatedly it’s here in this thread! if that’s cliched or impractical blah blah humans are the problem etc etc oh well go roll your eyes somewhere where i can’t see you i get the chinstroking etc & i’m not saying dont do that but don’t just kneekjerk dismiss it like that, it makes you look like dicks this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
the traister article is extremely good until the last paragraph when it feels like she felt the need to let her foot off the necks of her enemies, or something. Sorry for the violent image but it feels apropos. The "optimism" of a few election results is hella 'neoliberal' in the current vogue sense of the term
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
The most practical, 'lite' version of burning it down wrt the entertainment industry is probably to avoid personally helping to subsidize people/companies who create or prop up regressive shit. You vote with your dollars. They're called 'dollar votes'.
― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:07 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i have no practical suggestions re: burning it all down, but i think its still important to recognize that we cant really just patch things up & have faith in the system once again (not arguing w/ you here djp just making a broader point)
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:23 AM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ahh yes the old 'consume our way to good behavior' theory
VG OTM IMO
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
xpost Far from perfect, not all-encompassing, better than nothing.
― Home of the Ill-Considered Gravy Spigot (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
free range fair trade organic entertainment that looks down upon exploited lower class entertainment thats just chasing a few bucks
respectability politics of pop songs
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
here we go: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/15/16634776/clinton-lewinsky-resigned
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Allegedly an up-and-comer on the conservative side:
Wes Goodman - former top staffer for Jim Jordan and Heritage - resigns from Ohio state house over "inappropriate behavior" https://t.co/SjBgBN4Lmt— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) November 15, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
VG <3
this isn’t a fuckin board meeting of town supervisors ffs i loled
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
<3
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csu1xFjXYAEcZIM.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
apparently, she's performing that at her long-delayed NJ/BK shows?
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
a wise man once said "the world is a vampire"...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
LL otm.
feel like calling out shit is a good strategy. if people in the future know there is no way they can get away w stuff the way they could for thousands of years, they will think twice about doing so.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
adam can i just say you've been str8 fire itt
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
for me the important thing is to help bring about a society where these massive power and income differentials just don't happen in any industry
― Simon H., Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
Billy Corgan is the opposite of wise
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 15. november 2017 18:31 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is good. Clinton would in the best of all worlds have been Gary Hart'ed in 92, though.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
it's possible we would have had Gore in 2000 in that scenario, which looks v attractive in retrospect. but these kind of hypotheticals aren't really helpful imo.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
Wasn't Gore also accused of assault tho?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
http://people.com/celebrity/al-gore-accused-of-sexual-assault/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/al-gore-cleared-former-vp-baffled-by-sex-assault-allegations/
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
One of the reasons the judge gave for dropping the charges was "Celebrity issues."
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
vegemite girl and la lechera otmi was being hyperbolic of course but at the same time if you can’t see mel gibson’s holiday tentpole or xxxtentacion’s upper echelon festival bookings as capitulating to the “well gotta follow the money, i guess!” moral-compass abdication that led to the other situations described above happening in the first place idk what to say
― maura, Wednesday, 15 November 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
like there’s incremental change and then there’s immediate public relations cleanup followed by the same old bullshit, and i’m worried that the future will bring more of the latter.