the plot - quite literally - thickens
― wow. that was truly the minecraft of sex. (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 17 November 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
they are breathtakingly dumb
otm
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Friday, 17 November 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
idk I can get my head around the idiocy of someone like Laura Looner or Cernovich but Baked just seems so unreal to me
― frogbs, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
baked is mr laura loomer iirc - a real meeting of minds
― wow. that was truly the minecraft of sex. (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 17 November 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
a match made in heil
― frogbs, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
That tweet exchange is all-time
― een, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
A cultural moment
― een, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
Time capsule shit
even if baked was joking it’s still such a colossal self-own
― wow. that was truly the minecraft of sex. (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 17 November 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
I assume this wasn't posted yet, it seems terrible
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/brotherhood-of-losers/544158/
It is often said that the left won the culture war and the right won the economic war. From the point of view of angry young white men, however, neither side has scored any victories. A generation ago, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher championed the individual and the market, while liberals abandoned institutions like religion, national pride, even the nuclear family in favor of individual freedom. Together, right and left created a world in which a young person could invent his own identity and curate his own personal brand online, but also had dimmed hopes for enjoying what used to be considered the most basic elements of a decent life—marriage, a job, a house, a community. (Liberalism claimed that a village could raise a child, but never got around to building the village.)
actually it kinda did but there's just too many brown people in it for the subjects of your article with whom your fascination would be worrisome if it weren't so sad
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
a generation ago, ronald reagan championed the individual, while liberals abandoned institutions in favor of the individual
― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 19 November 2017 01:34 (six years ago) link
I ffwd'd to the last paragraph after that one and it's such bad undergraduate essay form, ugh
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 01:39 (six years ago) link
Angela Nagle is “fascinated” with the alt right because they are symtomatic of a greater plague of anomie. She isb’t sympathetic to them at all; there’s nothing sad about trying to understand something.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 04:47 (six years ago) link
the article is terrible
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 04:47 (six years ago) link
People just don’t like her because she pointed out something obvious— that the online left and the online right have a symbiotic relationship, feeding off one another’s provocations for clicks. This doesn’t mean there is a moral equivalence between them, it just means that there’s a viral dimension to our current culture war that can only be understood by looking at particular aspects of the attentjon economy and how people form communities on the internet.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 04:50 (six years ago) link
You might not like her for other reasons but that’s her great sin in the eyes of the people who have been harassing her online
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 04:51 (six years ago) link
counterpoint: the paragraph tombot pasted here is godawful nonsense
― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 19 November 2017 04:52 (six years ago) link
The alt right are definitely trying to recruit lost, depressed young men with weak social ties. Cults do this too. It doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link
http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/is-jordan-peterson-the-stupid-mans-smart-person/
quality lols here
― faked potato (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 November 2017 10:52 (six years ago) link
Angela Nagle is not very good
What nastier ppl say to her online doesn't rly change that treezy
― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 November 2017 10:59 (six years ago) link
painting nagle as impassively narrating a destructive feedback loop the online left and right have gotten themselves into would be all well and good, if it wasn't the case that for every comment she has rendering the 'lost boys' of the alt-right understandable she has one snarkily dismissing and mocking the tumblr left
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 19 November 2017 11:35 (six years ago) link
Lol @ expeecting anything better from a Spiked contributor tbh.
Most charitable thing you can say about nagl is, word to nietzsche, the abyss has done some looking into her.
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 19 November 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
Also, the 'lost boys' schtick is recycled wholesale from laurie penny isn't it? (Who herself, etc)
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 19 November 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link
It’s not a schtick it’s an analysis.
There are a lot of things she says that I agree with. First off, her insistence that this new right is qualitatively different than the conservatism of the past, because of its fundamentally anti-establishment, “transgressive” character. They’re more against liberal society — and its keystone virtues of equality and tolerance — than they are for any other regime, which is why their rhetoric is so nihikistic and flamboyantly offensive. Racism isn’t new — it’s embedded in the fabric of American society — but this movement is, and it doesn’t make sense to try to understand it as just another flowering of older hate movements. These people aren’t protecting an old order, they’re like cornered rats lashing out violently. Obviously they are despicable but they must also be seen as symptomatic of a deeper dysfunction in society — the idea that such an ugly, antisocial philosophy could hold any appeal at all. I think that’s what she is trying to understand in her work and people just react by turning around and saying she is being too easy on the alt right or too hard on the left or whatever
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
that just makes it sound like she's been reading this thread tho
― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 19 November 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Bananaman I was skeptical at first but you deserve a thanks/'you were right' for highlighting how much Nagle is mixed-up with Spiked/LM Network shenanigans. She's now been on not 1 but 2 Battle Of Ideas panels! Time to stop feeding and move on I think - there's plenty of others out there doing a better job of analyzing the alt-right (including on this thread/board).
― Unbreakable Kim Jong-Un (Mr Andy M), Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
wtf, treeship has gotten even dumber
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
the right being transgressive isnt new—the radical right has always been more willing to use indecency/puerility in their discourse than the left, fascism *was* a form of vanguard politics, 'accelerating' paleoconservatism just like communism accelerated social democracy, and you could see that in avant-garde art too, with futurism and vorticism tilting right more often than left.
They’re more against liberal society — and its keystone virtues of equality and tolerance — than they are for any other regime, + These people aren’t protecting an old order,
this is the premise I really disagree with bc "being against everything and for nothing" is also true of the student left since 1968, and basically a feature of youth politics in general. young ppl arent good at positive proposals.
but also these alt-right guys seemed pretty satisfied with Trump's ideas—a glance at /pol/ during the election would suggest they really liked the idea of protectionism + bashing mexicans and muslims, for example. and thats the thing. these guys are basically edgy racist republicans, and not really a proto-fascist menace threatening to overturn politics as we know it. the american left, bumbling as it is, has more dynamic ideas than the young right does. they also have the disadvantage of their politics being based around excluding anyone who isnt white (or at a stretch, asian) while the left wants to win over as many ppl as possible
also I like the idea of a dispassionate, fact-based account of internet politics, but Nagle does a shit job at it. it's not the feedback loop theory I'm against—for example, I noticed that before 2013, the /pol/ board on 4chan had so little traffic that the admin suggested that it should be deleted, but from 2013 as the "campus SJWs" and "crazy tumblr" clickbait stories began, /pol/ grew immensely with threads mocking these ppl and posting conspiracy theories about 'cultural marxism'. Nagle doesnt do much beyond recycling the same article 10 times though, and there is way better scholarship on culture wars out there. also I dont really care but this whole genre of tweet is so tired and insidious:
Socialist men to cute girls with insane tumblr opinions pic.twitter.com/Mm4oU37SRH— Angela Nagle (@AngNagle) November 9, 2017
― epigone, Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
idk I think her project is very limited but I also think that tweet is funny
― Simon H., Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
booming post
― imago, Sunday, 19 November 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
You’ve done a better job explaining your point than she did explaining hers. I don’t know if I buy that there is really anything new under the sun here, though. There are echoes here in every right wing ethnic nationalist movement ever. Those have never been for or by the establishment - they don’t need all that ruckus.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
Lol wtf so many xposts
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
I don’t understand that tweet. What do I win
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 19 November 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
these guys are basically edgy racist republicans, and not really a proto-fascist menace threatening to overturn politics as we know it. the american left, bumbling as it is, has more dynamic ideas than the young right does. they also have the disadvantage of their politics being based around excluding anyone who isnt white (or at a stretch, asian) while the left wants to win over as many ppl as possible
I think this is mostly true so far — these are not people with actionable ideas — but i will say that i think there is a serious danger in the way they have polluted the discourse. In mainstream spaces online now (reddit, twitter), you can find people calling for things like a “white ethnostate” or, on the gender side, propagating extremist views that already seem to have contributed to two mass shootings. The normalization of these kinds of ideas as “one side of the argument” strikes me as a tragedy. Young men online becoming politically conscious for the first time are going to stumble across this stuff, which is designed to appeal to their insecurities. I’m not sure if I can really measure the potential harm this could cause but it concerns me a lot. Fascism isn’t compatible with liberal democracy the way conservativism or libertarianism are (in theory... as a ideology—i recognize the republican party has been undermining our democracy for decades)
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
Then again, the fact that many of these people are nihilistic in outlook and seem to have picked up their racism from virtual communities might be their ultimate weakness. It’s hard to know how many of them seem committed to this cause, which is comprised of shapeless, angry people.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
I think you have to be way more Twitter/Tumblr-involved to get that tweet (I don't).
― louise ck (milo z), Sunday, 19 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
I think she's saying that socialist men will profess to believe whatever they think will get them into a pretty girl's bed, isn't that obvious?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Sunday, 19 November 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
Thanks for pointing out Angela Nagle is a spikeder - I'd added her book to my wishlist under the impression that it was basically a timely 2017 update of The Rebel Sell, but reading her Twitter feed it's pretty much non-stop trolling challops. A shame as I do want to read the book that I imagined this would be.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 19 November 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
^ Same here, thanks ILX
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 19 November 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
a spikedera what? i googled and found no satisfying answer
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
http://www.spiked-online.com/
― Number None, Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
online came a spikeder
― fake pato is kind of racist, dude (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
Yes, but I don't know the context - like, where is this actually happening on Twitter/Tumblr. Without that it's just a "men drive like THIS" joke.
― louise ck (milo z), Sunday, 19 November 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, a new development appears
4Chan /pol/ users are eating onions in an effort to increase their testosterone, and it's not going well pic.twitter.com/jSX9MD4Oyo— Will Sommer (@willsommer) November 20, 2017
(Several pics)
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 20 November 2017 05:16 (six years ago) link
Is this a global right wing nutter thing - Tony Abbot is famous for eating onions like apples.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 20 November 2017 06:00 (six years ago) link
also fred west
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1507773.stm
West, an uncouth man whose personal habits included munching raw onions as if they were apples, recounted in grim detail how he ...
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 November 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/cvIC2vRu42— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) November 20, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
Mocking the Gorka loadout special:
http://taskandpurpose.com/gorka-edc-guns-pocket-constitution-lol/
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
fuck me look at that waistcoat
http://49m47r1ce5b927clot3yajgk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/GorkaLede-840x420.jpg
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link
dad jeans / skinny belt is chefkiss.jpg
― hi i’m darren and i’m a bouncer from bendigo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link