the last line and by extension entire poem spoken by cowboy movie heel as he fires his pistol into the dirt at some poor young lad's feet
― imago, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
lost me at "not an ape"
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
and the idea that such a speciesist poem would be used for a first contact
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 17 November 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
I cannot settle which is worse,The Anti-Novel or Adrian Fucking Mitchell
― the intentional phallusy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 November 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
Pshaw! Millions of people like posters of cats with modestly amusing captions, such as "Hang In There!", too. Someone must supply them with ever new and transparently cheesy gewgaws and Adrian Mitchell is just the person to do it, proudly, sincerely and without shame. Let us leave them to themselves, fondly holding hands, their mouths stained pink by cotton candy.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 17 November 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 14 December 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
Great thread everyone
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
In a National Poetry Day poll in 2005 his poem "Human Beings" was voted the one most people would like to see launched into space.
Out of a cannon into the sun?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:01 (six years ago) link
Hoos what’d you vote for
― .oO (silby), Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
Uhh I think the second line because it leaves space for people to mean well despite forces at play that can ultimately be more powerful than they are
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:23 (six years ago) link
^vmic
― Bingo Little’s Breakout (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
Which is a good thing
Haha truly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link
feeling “Man hands on misery to man” at the moment. otherwise “coastal shelf” - that way it conveys a dread sense, which surrounds the heart, of an accumulation of irretrievable cold and darkness over time - rather than progress or even not-progress, the perpetuation of the human race being an act that ploughs is further into sadness as a collective being of isolated individuals, that retains and adds to our fucked upness (our solitude, our anger, our failures of tolerance and kindness etc). this is the picture of someone awake with fear at night, assessing their own mortality and childlessness, rather than a truth, i think. or rather it sums up that feeling truly than necessarily expressing a “true” sentiment (otherwise no “Sidney Bechet” - “oh play that thing!” - or “First Sight” - “Earth’s immeasurable surprise” - that “immeasurable” a counterweight to the endless “deepening” here)
― Fizzles, Thursday, 14 December 2017 08:42 (six years ago) link
I
Look it's a very good thread and poetry and interpretation etc
But coastal shelf as a line stands out for me as the one put in
Because it rhymed with what he wanted the last line to be
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:26 (six years ago) link
i read george herbert’s poem Miserie recently and turned back to it after that post, to see whether there was any useful gloss for Larkin’s use. Not really, tho it is really good:Man is but grassHe knows it, fill the glasseandOh foolish man! where are thine eyes?How hast thou lost them in a crowd of cares?Thou pull’st the rug, and wilt not rise,No not to purchase the whole pack of starres (pull’st the rug = drag the quilt over yourself in the morning)it was in the poem above tho - Decay - that i found a sort of parallel to This Be The Verse:I see the world grows old, when as the heatOf thy great love once spread, as in an urnDoth closet up it self, and still retreat,Cold sinne still forcing it...i’ll break off there for the moment. this is, as with larkin’s coastal shelf, progressive, irrevocable loss, coldness and decay. it progresses through history, in herbert’s case away from the starting fire of God’s love, in Larkin’s through an accumulation of corruption (from an implied point of innocence, then). what larkin cannot have is millenarian redemption - to continue the herbert verse:Cold sinne still forcing it, till it return,And calling Justice, all things burn.the apocalyptic fire renews the heat forever. for larkin there is no such moment. what larkin calls “misery” herbert wd call sin. and it occurs to me in a way that is now obvious and will have been pointed out before that much of what larkin wrote is a reaching into godlessness from with a religious framework, of poetry, of language and of society and an inherited state of mind. there is no wheel or couplet or fire to redeem his coastal shelf. that inherited state of mind, from which you can’t escape, which traps you in its religion even when you do not believe, is how your parents and your parents’ generation fuck you up.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:30 (six years ago) link
xpost
― Fizzles, Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link
yeah but sometimes the process that drives you to choose the word doesn't mean it's not the right word
Xp
― The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link
i think that happy conjunction of meaning, fit and sound is why it’s good! deepens like a coastal shelf works as a stand-alone image for me ymmv / de gustibus
― Fizzles, Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link
wot NV said. the constraints of poetry produce these moments.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 14 December 2017 10:33 (six years ago) link
Ya it's acknowledged as a personal thing
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 December 2017 11:05 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 15 December 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
Strong showing for the last verse, 4 of the top 5.
Also I have much love for some parents, but lol at the other line in the top five being "but not me, right, guys?"
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 December 2017 08:34 (six years ago) link
Think the votes for "They may not mean to, but they do." was based on double-meaning, as discussed upthread
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 December 2017 11:30 (six years ago) link
Yeah it's very much a line that can be read as apology or condemnation or just a shrug all of which came up itt
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 15 December 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link
The Verse This Be
It deepens like a coastal shelf.And don’t have any kids yourself.Man hands on misery to man.They may not mean to, but they do.
Get out as early as you can,They fuck you up, your mum and dad.Who half the time were soppy-sternBy fools in old-style hats and coats,
But they were fucked up in their turnAnd add some extra, just for you.They fill you with the faults they hadAnd half at one another’s throats.
― infinity (∞), Friday, 15 December 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
hahah sick
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 December 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link
Excellent
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 15 December 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
ha wrote itself rly
― infinity (∞), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
A good idea need only be done half-well
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
nice
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
Kudos
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 15 December 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
We should poll more poems and do the same.
― Burru Men Meet Burryman ina Wicker Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 December 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link