Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

he's gross.
this is exactly what my mom taught me when she told me that woody allen is gross. i was probably in my early teens, interested in watching movies with romantic examples i didn't find repulsive, and she was like "not woody allen, he's gross" and i believed her and she was right!

My partner always left the room when I had Louis CK on, like "ok, see you some other time when you're doing something that's not this"

Surprised Michael Fassbender hasn't came up in all this. For beating up his ex-girlfriend.

hemingway could kill with a phone call. true story!

"Pfeiffer spent the rest of her life in Key West, with frequent visits to California, until her death on October 1, 1951 at age 56. Her death was attributed to an acute state of shock related to her son Gregory's arrest and a subsequent phone call from Ernest. Gregory, who had experienced gender identity issues for most of his life, had been arrested as a male caught entering a woman's restroom in a movie theater. Years later, after he had become a medical doctor, Gregory interpreted his mother's autopsy report as indicating that Pauline had died due to a pheochromocytoma tumor on one of her adrenal glands. His theory was that the phone call from Ernest had caused the tumor to secrete excessive adrenalin, and then stop, the resultant change in blood pressure causing her to go into the acute shock that caused her death."

agree that piece is flat-out awful

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:39 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Fla

Why??

i didn't read that whole paris review thing and i'm not saying that it is like this but i never ever have to read any variation on: will i ever be able to watch sleeper again???????????? kinda thing ever. as long as i live.

i don't watch his movies anymore. i don't want to know about him. he's gross. he was a hero of mine when i was a kid too but who cares. there are lots of movies to watch. and for woody fans out there look at it this way: in a hundred years if there are still people nobody will care what he did and everyone will delight in his antics again.

― scott seward, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:44 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That’s not really the point of the Paris review piece, thankfully

Nick Carter was abused by Lou Perlman right

also it's weird that the paris review piece ran there when its editor has its own, uh, problems

where is the paris review piece? did someone link to it upthread? i can't find it w/ google

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2017/11/20/art-monstrous-men/

Surprised Michael Fassbender hasn't came up in all this. For beating up his ex-girlfriend

Was just thinking about the sighs of relief Joss Wheadon had after the Weinstein story broke and people stopped discussing his 'feminism as a front for macking on actresses'.

oh it's a "can we separate the art from the artist?" piece, pass

that paris review thing is just kinda bloggy. like from the old days. i do love that she uses the word "pettifoggery" because that's how the newspaper writer in my fave show Zoo gets busted and loses her job. she is writing an anonymous anti-corporate blog and her editor at the paper - a paper owned by the corporation the writer is blogging about - knows its her because she's the only person who ever uses that word.

I don't think Whedon is really going to benefit from the Warvey Heinstein explosion. Especially not Fassbender.

wait, i just noticed that PR thing IS a blog thing. so, you know, that would make sense.

oh it's a "can we separate the art from the artist?" piece, pass

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats really not what its about, either

although i guess its kind of glib about that point near the beginning

its editor has its own, uh, problems

Have any allegations been published?

not yet

Inevitable

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/22/law-order-svu-harvey-weinstein

They'd want to have Sherlock Holmes casting it

Hollywood will eat itself

A rep from NBC noted that SVU is fiction.

Former Charlie Rose Intern Says He Made Her Watch S&M Scene in 'Secretary'

yeah, fwiw the Dederer article isn’t really about the thing it starts out being about. What is irritatingly precious about the writer’s voice evaporates, too; I think she did it on purpose. I found all the stuff about masculine insistence on objective aesthetic criteria and the problem of the woman artist to ring true, depressingly, to my experience. She is more than fair to Woody Allen, and I kind of mean that as a criticism, honestly.

But Woody Allen himself is not really the point either.

what is the point in 12 words or less.

fewer

fine, 10 words

When will a mod change the thread title? This has expanded far beyond Weinstein.

I think we're living through an social epoch of reckoning that deserves a name, but I hate #sexcrisis. #badmalebehavior would be better.

For myself (heterosexual male, chemically "castrated" for decades thanks to SSRI antidepressants), I'm both unsurprised by the behavior of some hetero males, and repelled/disgusted. Maybe everyone should experience what it's like to not feel sexual compulsions, simply to understand how hugely important they are in motivation, but also hugely damaging to individuals, as we attempt to integrate all of us as participants in society.

We're apes. We all inherited motivations geared towards getting more genes into the next generation. We need a legal framework that understands this, and both rejects employment discrimination and non-consensual sexual advances, while still recognizing the role sexual compulsions have played in getting humanity to its present, pretty comfortable, state.

It's not boys will be boys. It's we're all trapped here, and we need to figure out how to match social incentives/disincentives against our genes.

so you're saying put a wiener on the coinage?

thread title should stay, its fitting with idiosyncratic ilx titles

No hashtags

I probably went too far there..probably the pre-Thanksgiving dissociatives. From my perspective as an "outsider" on all of this, I just think we need, as a society, to distinguish between sexual advances that are an abuse of power (many of those on this thread), and acts that aren't sexual advances at all. For example George HW Bush or Al Franken incidentally touching buttocks at photo ops. We need to get more uptight and angry about abuses of power, but not all of this qualifies.

oooh “incidentally”

I think for the latter it's still an abuse of power and men taking what they want and implicitly feel they deserve and are allowed to get away with. Whether or not it rises to the level of Weinstein and others is probably not the issue, falling as it does under the general category of "shit men in positions of power and authority think they can do with impunity."

And not even just those men, but random nothing men. (Which some of these guys are anyway despite their stature.)

Yea obviously there are levels here but I think this cultural wave is sweeping the same general pattern of power abuse and silencing, this thread is a good repository and also Weinstein story lit the fuse

ts: shit men vs random nothing men

acts that aren't sexual advances at all. For example George HW Bush or Al Franken incidentally touching buttocks at photo ops

but it wasn't "incidentally touching" they full on grabbed the butts. grabbing a butt is a sexual advance. and they did so because they could get away w it.

like Al Franken didn't incidentally shove his tongue down that girl's throat because it was an accident or a lapse in etiquette. it is funny to say "It's not boys will be boys" and take a grand stand and then follow it up with "but these guys are cool and this was not sexual" those two sentiments almost seem entirely at odds w each other. if you want to apologize for that behavior then go ahead but don't pretend you are doing otherwise

ts: shit men vs random nothing men

We need a legal framework

Strange to say, societies that recognize the legal concept of property seem to struggle the most with defining the proper channels and boundaries for sexuality.

For w/e reason I don’t believe the Franken tongue part on a personal level, although at the stage of the discourse what I think doesn’t matter

Like, it’s just an underlying suspicion I have if I’m being honest w myself about my bullshit detector

And not even just those men, but random nothing men. (Which some of these guys are anyway despite their stature.)

― omar little, Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:49 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I’m sure large % of dudes itt have have done something like that Franken photo tbh & I don’t say that to lessen the importance of reflecting on it but bc I think there’s a danger in dissociating from “the bad guys” & not recognizing the true extent to which male entitlement is a part of society’s fabric

Let's just step back for a sec and let you set out exactly what you are sure that a large % of dudes itt have done, shall we

Let’s not? We already deleted a thread like that. The point is skepticism of holier than thou attitude

Otm. Speak for yourself D-40.

the otm was for deems