'Even allowing for inflation, this thread is not worth 198 Terry Francises' - EPL 2017-18

ha!

"Huddersfield fans singing "where were you when you were shit" at Man City fans. Huddersfield's average home attendance in 15/16 Championship season was 12,631 (third from bottom). Capacity of the stadium is 24,169."

Can't fucking argue with that rank hypocrisy.

getting "called out"!

we have two brighton fans, except one is actually a utd fan and the other is actually a liverpool fan (and i bullied him off ilx like a year ago, still ;_; about that tbh, come back pls)

Iirc the joke about man city fans when they were shit wasn't lol fairweather fans, but lol look at all these mugs still paying thru the nose to watch their shitty team and clogging up radio phone-ins insisting what a massive, massive club they were

the false memory syndrome of post-Prem football, where clubs that have achieved big dog status rewrite their history as monolithic and eternal: Chelsea, Man City etc

Man City were still very well supported in their league one season, whereas our support has more than doubled since them days. Literally half of our stadium didn't give a fuck when we were shit. Some of these selfie taking fucks with their tribal tattoos were far too busy being in the gym or going to centrist dad classes or something when we were shit!

man city only got out of league one because gillingham couldn't protect a 2-0 lead going into injury time

Yeah the double drop and subsequent recovery is definitely written into City mythology at this stage.

famously half the stadium had walked out and were trying get back in again iirc

It's surely true that the supporters keeping coming even in League 1 is fairly key to Man City mythology; on the other hand I reckon I've heard more about their 1968 title win in the last three years than in the rest of my life put together.

fan support is part of "massive clubness" sure but then Bradford were still pulling 10,000 in League 2 so it's got to be more than just that

xxxxp calzino, getting into real england territory but do you note a correlation between tribal tattoos and centrist daddism? Big if true

just generalising, my paper will be released later.

Personally I couldn't give less of a fuck about historical attendance dick waving. If a club makes it to the premier league more people will turn up to watch them, film at 11.

(On friday may 11 1979, more ppl packed into selhurst park to see palace's team of the eighties win the second division title than were at anfield the same night to see liverpool crowned first division champions. Ergo crystal palace = bigger club than liverpool lol)

i've enjoyed seeing city fans' sentimental comfort in their own misfortune turn into this bewildered, disbelieving, but very appreciative attitude to their success

Bradford attendances were boosted by £100 season tickets in L2. And they did that thing of giving out attendances + all season ticket holders whether present or not.

I have a valid complaint at the Prem daytrippers, nothing to do with dickwaving. I just can't go anymore because of them clogging up the nice quite disabled area.

well formerly nice and quite disabled area.

quiet*

If a club makes it to the premier league more people will turn up to watch them, film at 11.

yeah basically, I think the "massive club" thing is mostly a self-consoling lie that some fans resort to when their team is doing badly, tho I understand a degree of resentment towards people that can only be bothered to go to a game if it's in the Prem.

got some drawn out stupid false dialectic about fans of brands vs fans of football that I haven't got the concentration to make but there is often an innate annoyingness about glory-hunters espesh when they're chatting bollocks tbh

Who are the worst proponents of massive clubness at Championship level or below these days? I'm guessing it's still Leeds but there are a few contenders.

Sorry, I meant dickwaving as in one-upmanship between rival fans: you got less than 5000 in for a league cup game in 1986, that sort of thing. Ur totally entitled to be grudgeful at day trippers with tribal tattoos of course. Or anyone with tribal tattoos lol

Calzino was it a problem in herbert chapman's day?

we've always had plenty of "massive clubbers" but since that era was really the 1950s a lot of them are dead or fronting now. Leeds obv. I'm sure Sunderland do. Newcastle should be granted honorary Champo status for life. Weird how you don't hear it much from, say, Preston fans. I'm sure a few Villa lads would like to point out their massiveness.

I bet there's a "Bolton are a sleeping giant" contingency

Wolves fans were notorious for what the germans call massivklubismus in the 90s- helped by no small amount of vapid media boosterism.

Altho when they actually got promoted, and then relegated straight back, they seemed to wind their necks in a bit.

It was Chapman who brought such innovations as Wingbacks, actual tactics, bungs and tribal tatoos into football. He was a total twat really!

Alan Green would love to see Leeds in the Premier League, so Leeds.

we have been a sleeping giant for way longer than we were a giant tbh

what happens over the next few years remains to be seen but it'll be as disconnected from the Stan Cullis era as Chelsea's Prem career is from the unremarkable middlingness that characterized their history pre-Abramovich

The first bung merchant as well? I didn't think i could get more impressed by one man's legacy

yeah he was banned for life early in his career by the FA iirc? somehow snuck back into a job and the rest is history

altho basically everybody had to make sneaky payments back then on account of players being indentured serfs

Yeah Herbert would entice players from Scotland with gifts and maximum wage busting job titles at the club. Yeah he was involved with the pre-Leeds Utd club that went bust.

We are just like Bradford City really and have a hardcore of about 8 - 10 k and a hatred of Leeds. We are going through their late 90's phase in the bigtime but without a Carbone equivalent on £40k a week.

altho basically everybody had to make sneaky payments back then on account of players being indentured serfs

OTM

I bet hudd have several players on +40k a week, but yeah nearly 20 yra of footballers wage inflation since then so take yr point

got some drawn out stupid false dialectic about fans of brands vs fans of football that I haven't got the concentration to make but there is often an innate annoyingness about glory-hunters espesh when they're chatting bollocks tbh

― Pred Sheeran (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 November 2017 09:58 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It would tbf need to have more than two options

Proper club flat cap rollies community and failure ingrained capitalism ruined it
Firm days pissin in the next guys pocket nostalgia and headbutts political correctness ruined it
Ppl that read Michael Cox and listen to football weekly because it gives them something to talk to their employees about
Etc

fair point there have always been those different constituencies around the notion of "liking football"

and chatting bollocks v much not the sole preserve of any one of them

give me a minute, working up to some depressed epiphany that all chat is bollocks

Absolutely not xp

Gloryhunters the worst tho obv

I miss those days of getting in for free at 3/4 time just to steal a rollie and then piss in someones pocket. Yes, and they'd still thank you.

When Carbone went to Bradford City it was a massive signing at the time. As part of the package he got a gigantic 7 bed, 5 bathroom mansion in Leeds. He was soon forgotten when they went into admin a few years later.

I just thought I'd pop in here to say that I think this is maybe the worst Everton team of my lifetime, and, as such, there's almost something perversely *enjoyable* about the scale of our failure. Like, go on, Southampton, get another one, what does it matter? We're fortunate to have the three wins (or even the draws) we have and should probably be bottom. You could see it even in those early EL qualifiers - we couldn't string three passes together vs the third best team in Slovakia. But that's because we'd only be the ninth best team in Slovakia.

Funny business.

My stepdad + brother are making their first trip to Goodison Park on saturday. So good luck after that game, Michael.

I shall be taking the cats to the vet and my younger daughter to an exam. I fully expect to get a "0-1" push notification buzz in my pocket in the midst of that trauma.

And after that (and a dead EL rubber, to which we'll presumably be sending a team of under-11s plus Geoff Nulty as a ringer) it's the Anfield derby. Oh brilliant. Merry Xmas War Is Over (If You Want It).

I'm trying to remember what was the basis for the Everton pre-season optimism. They had no proper striker starting the season (and still dont)

Wasn't it solely based on having a sack of money to spend, and bringing back TWP? (though no-one outside of Everton thought that was a good idea iirc).

I did think Sigurdsson and Klaassen and

scratch that last bit

TWP? Colin Harvey?

:D