2017 end of the year lists

they are the new wilco

wilco >>>>>>>>>>>>> lcd soundsystem

Aw 2017 was a great year why do they want to make it look terrible for future generations.

Music-wise I mean.

wilco >>>>>>>>>>>>> lcd soundsystem

― imago

depends

We all look at old lists from canonical listmakers as representing stodgy stalwarts of music criticism with a bit of new blood mixed in. There's no reason this year should be any different.

Its not a bad idea to ignore all but debut albums in year-end lists. Everything else is comfort food for those participating. If you like the debut, you will probably follow them till they run out of good ideas.

https://www.popmatters.com/the-best-jazz-of-2017-2512509428.html

lots of men are basic

that's how

Its not a bad idea to ignore all but debut albums in year-end lists

nah i think this is a bad idea

yea wtf

if they're lucky artists don't hit their stride until album 2 or 3. there's very long threads on here about bands that flamed out after 1 amazing debut album

like that would've disqualified Good Kid, M.A.A.D City

yeah but most people thought that was his debut so it's fine

Glen should do a Pazz & Jop data set that's just first appearances

side note: this is the third time this week i've seen someone forget about / dismiss / unaware of Section 80 and it's pissin' me off!

you've misread

Fastnbulbous at 8:12 28 Nov 17

https://www.popmatters.com/the-best-jazz-of-2017-2512509428.html

A few years back Pop Matters had a daily Kindle update which I read. They stopped, I stopped reading -- the site is a nightmare of pop-up ads. Still, their prog and jazz lists are fine. Others will back up some of the choices, such as Steve Coleman's Natal Eclipse.

https://www.facebook.com/JazzDesk1/posts/680312402176091:0

Tom Hull generally has a reasonable looking list, but admittedly he's just one person:

http://tomhull.com/ocston/nm/notes/eoyjazz-17.php

Matthew Shipp Quartet: Not Bound (ForTune)
Avant pianist, third album this year, making it hard to take seriously his periodic retirements.

xxpost to Number None, you're right, sorry .... but i still think it's a real thing

wilco >>>>>>>>>>>>> lcd soundsystem

― imago

depends

― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:51 AM (six hours ago)

the official undergarment of next year's Wilco + LCD Soundsystem tour

lol i'd see that show!

If we only took debuts seriously then Radiohead ahoukd be judged by Pablo Honey.

should*

No idea what my autocorrect was doing there

Ahoukd A

or Ahoukd Computer perhaps.

To avoid further misinterpretation, when I said I don't pay much attention to the appearence of well known names in year end polls (in fact, when I C&P I'l edit them out), it was because I use them as consumer aids to introduce myself to current artists I might like.

Any consumer with a passing interest in music journalism will find out about the Kendrick Lamars and Radioheads of the world, if that's their thing, without the aid of year end polls.

I'm not so sure about the influence of yearly polls on the construction of the critical canon, either. Spend some time in the archives at rocklist.net, and its clear critics frequently don't get it right on their first pass.

Rolling Stone's 50 Best Songs of 2017:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-songs-of-2017-w512456

that number one tho

if someone could has the actual list handy that would be swell

wow that's weird even by Rolling Stone standards

Harry Styles at #1? one of the weakest Lorde tracks at #2? great to see Tove Styrke so high at least

I thought at first they were doing an ilm style fake #1

harry styles song just sounds like the stereophonics to me

I got as far as the write-up

Jazzwise albums:

http://www.jazzwisemagazine.com/artists/14787-top-20-jazz-albums-of-2017

Popmatters: The Best Ambient/Instrumental Music of 2017

https://www.popmatters.com/best-ambient-instrumental-albums-2017-2513144740.html

xp Yeah I gave Harry Styles' album a far shot yesterday and it sounds like Travis.

I kind of like the RS if only because it’s fucking bonkers specially coming from them. Weren’t they supposed to be a rockist mag?

Well i guess they moved from rock like a decade but still it’s a really weird list in selection and positioning. Is this a reader poll or staff poll?

RS is provocative over anything else. to go against their own rockism is perfectly in character

btw i highly recommend Joe Hagan's new Jann Wenner bio STICKY FINGERS, the rare biography that is fully authorized and denounced by its subject. it's like 600 pages and i inhaled it in a week.

i guess the point is they get to praise Styles for making a really rockist album in the grand tradition of "ex pop star is like really serious oh wow"

nothing against Humble but I'm surprised anyone would rate it higher than the supreme banger DNA

that Styles single is trash tho

DAMN. is an album where i could see a case made for every track on the album being the best over the others

Fuck ME that PopMatters site is unusable.

IDK guys, maybe they just like the Harry Styles song? I like the Harry Styles song. It sounds absolutely nothing like Stereophonics or Travis. Not going to bother listening to the album, but it's a good single.

*elaborate dancing gif that says "in my opinion" here*

It sounds absolutely nothing like Stereophonics or Travis.

I don't really remember Stereophonics but I kinda agree that it sounds like a typical 3rd or 4th single from the early 00s post-Britpop landfill era