Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

as an artist hes at a nadir of cultural relevance

i mean, whatever, i guess he did another good deed fixating on r kelly again so we can all share it & say 'good piece, otm'

as someone mentioned on another thread the industry support for xxxtacian and kodak black are pretty disturbing

xps

artists who are new and relevant today

I'm pretty sure that being sexually abused or predated upon is always relevant to the victims. The only added value of outing a respected public figure is that it pierces the bubble of respectability that has protected the perpetrator and put the victim at a greater relative disadvantage. The 'relevance' of the perpetrator within his field has no bearing at all, imo, except that it titillates the public's interest -- at the same level as supermarket tabloids touting "Jennifer Anniston's Secret Sorrow" or the breakup of Bennifer.

of course its relevant that someone is abusing someone. but we already know about it! he is not relevant; the only time he touches headlines today is when this comes up.

what matt is saying, is more the point

as an artist hes at a nadir of cultural relevance

so it's cool if he imprisons and intimidates and brainwashes a houseful of young women, good to know

thanks for never writing the same post twice btw, you're a better investigative journalist than Jim Derogatis

How is R. Kelly's industry support any different? His major label hasn't dropped him, right? What does relevance matter if he's still selling records and doing huge shows?

Even seventeen years of reporting hasn’t been enough to turn as bright a spotlight on Kelly as the one exposing many others, because no one, it seems, matters less in our society than young black women.

so it's cool if he imprisons and intimidates and brainwashes a houseful of young women, good to know

thanks for never writing the same post twice btw, you're a better investigative journalist than Jim Derogatis

― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:57 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah thats what i fucking said, great work

just another fucking ilx thread where ppl read me in the worst possible faith

go fuck yourselves

an idiom comes to mind

we gotta keep digging though, until every predator is outed

an idiom comes to mind

― Simon H., Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM

no its fine, you guys are definitely the good guys because you've decided everything jim derogatis does is now about criticism

and in saying otherwise, im basically encouraging him to rape children. got it

**above criticism

yeah thats what i fucking said, great work - just another fucking ilx thread where ppl read me in the worst possible faith

you used the word relevance. we read the word. we suggested 'relevance' was a wrong-headed metric, and said why we thought so. expecting us to read something other than what you said is silly. correcting our impressions, defeating our objections, or clarifying your position would all be reasonable response. telling us to fuck ourselves is what you chose to do. I decline the invitation.

no its fine, you guys are definitely the good guys because you've decided everything jim derogatis does is now about criticism

lol weren't you just criticizing ppl for deliberately misreading you in bad faith? physician heal thyself etc

do I need to refer you to all the threads clowning DeRo on a regular basis for p much everything he does *except* his R. Kelly reportage

relevance was the word i intended & one hundred percent stand by its use *in context* and if you choose to willfully misread it...fuck yourself

do I need to refer you to all the threads clowning DeRo on a regular basis for p much everything he does *except* his R. Kelly reportage

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:16 PM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*you've decided everything jim derogatis writes about r kelly is now above criticism

how much does he write about r kelly? I'm out of the loop

This is a good piece from last month that touches on how he's gone about it, and how difficult a time he's had of finding media outlets that would publish his pieces:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/November-2017/The-Lonely-Crusade-of-Jim-DeRogatis/

*you've decided everything jim derogatis writes about r kelly is now above criticism

extrapolating from declining to criticize one piece to a blanket assumption that *all pieces* will not be met w criticism IS A LITERAL BAD FAITH ARGUMENT

you are so bad at this plz stop

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems to me the subtext of Ronan Farrow in particular covering Harvey Weinstein may have had something to do with Woody Allen's career revitalization coming at Weinstein's hands: http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-17/entertainment/ca-5387_1_miramax-films

This article was sold to me via social media as the REAL reason R Kelly has been able to keep doing what he does, but Derogatis lacks the range to understand that in its totality, or the NYer oversold him. The reason would be executives--unnamed, uninvestigated. If there's no new story here, what's the purpose of the reporting? To capitalize.

If he wanted the story to be less dissatisfying to the end consumer he might consider covering an artist with more commercial RELEVANCE who is NOT already widely seen as a sexual predator. In fact, reporters are doing that every day! but in this story, hes beating a dead horse

im not saying that makes him a bad person or that hes the bad guy, just saying the article isnt really adding much to the convo

extrapolating from declining to criticize one piece to a blanket assumption that *all pieces* will not be met w criticism IS A LITERAL BAD FAITH ARGUMENT

you are so bad at this plz stop

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:24 PM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im talking about this BAD piece in the context of his other, occasionally GOOD pieces, so no its not a bad faith argument idiot

he writes about him a lot, and he deserves praise for continuing to push on this subject. kelly's label deserves condemnation for not dropping him; his fans deserve condemnation for supporting him.

namecalling always helps put your arguments over. you learn lessons well.

xxp

namecalling always helps put your arguments over. you learn lessons well.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:27 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this kind of post is equally useful, glad we're using our time constructively

just glad to be here, the day when r kelly was called to account for the 30th time is one we'll all remember

sic that was like the most crappy uncharitable post ever, are you sure you're not me?

mom they’re fighting in the bad-touch thread again

DeRogatis is still in touch with many of the women’s families, that may have something to do with why he persists in targeting Kelly

Isn't the New Yorker the biggest forum he's ever had for his R.Kelly writing? He's been on the Kelly beat for so long that a swerve to covering some more relevant artist would seem out of character.

i think his buzzfeed article was a much bigger platform

think of this then as a criticism of the nyer editor who sought & packaged this piece, it just struck me as 'get the r kelly guy on the horn that'll be good for a few clicks'

srsly wtf is wrong with you guys

LL makes discussion worthy observations but yall would rather argue about doorlocks or jump right into the 9,576th version of the same WHAT I SAID WAS argument with deej

the worst

xp so, you choose to read the editor's actions in the worst possible light?

incredible use of the xp there

at any rate fair point i apologize for derailing though stand by my posts alrightbye

that's fair point @ VG

aaaaand.... scene

Quiet ladies, the men are shouting.

I still havent watched that Frontline doc, I keep meaning to!

Yes, please watch it! Everyone should watch it. There was another investigation about agricultural workers called Rape in the Fields. Anyone who eats produce or works in an office should watch and discuss.

Apparently Matt wants his money (unlikely result, it seems):

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/30/matt-lauers-lawyers-trying-to-get-him-30m-payout-after-firing/

But he also likes acting like a bad Netflix series villian now or something:

https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/matt_lauer-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=300

...seen for the first time since his sexual misconduct scandal broke leaving his $33 million Hamptons estate on Thursday to meet famed East End real estate and criminal lawyer Eddie Burke Jr. to whom he handed an envelope.

Man FP’ing all the deej and Shakey posts in this thread is like one of those clicker games where nothing really happens but you somehow feel better anyway because you worked at it

<3

Sheesh i tried to be civil :(

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

surprisingly, I mainly agree with deej - derogatis is just trotting out his r kelly schtick in a different venue here (nb any music writer who turns down nyer money to do something he's already done is a total & complete idiot, though, chicago winter heating bills don't pay for themselves) - however "relevance" lol who gives a fuckin shit, be real w/that, that is an adolescent concern, decaptitated aren't really "relevant" in death metal any more either and I'm very glad all the metal pubs didn't waste any time thinking about that when it came time to report on their crimes

i have been haunted by that story
i wish i hadn't read it
were they prosecuted?