'Even allowing for inflation, this thread is not worth 198 Terry Francises' - EPL 2017-18

for a side that splashed away £130m on defensive players in one window, they still can't defend set-pieces for shit.

It's not about the destination (Moyes knows he'll end up on the cross by Easter), it's about the journey.

more appropriate that this was a slow icing-over of hope than a rout imo

never a red ffs

given that he's already self-banned Clattenburg should be banned from ever refeering aain anywhere.

i find the whole interview bizarre. what a fucking idiot.

It's so fucking stupid, his "game plan" and all.

why would you come out and destroy whatever reputation you have by saying that?

He had none cunt was a big club lackey his whole career and a total cunt

I have a soft spot for Clattenburg for controversially ruling out a Mansfield goal at the 04 playoff finals. But I don't know what he is hoping to achieve here, unless he has already made so much dosh he never needs to ref again and couldn't gaf about his reputation.

i think i most remember him for one particularly rough merseyside derby - can't remember the final score but i know he gave us a penalty and ignored jamie carragher rugby tackling someone in the box in the 93rd minute.

feel like dirk kuyt either got away with murder or was murdered

oh yeah here it is. lol two red cards and two penalties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2323916/Mark-Clattenburg-pays-for-Mersey-mayhem.html

He allowed Everton to self-destruct. All part of a greater plan do u c

I c him next tuesday

A maddeningly arrogant manner of delivering his controversial decisions as well

More like mark clottenburg

How Yorkshire has launched its own international team

I suspect Ronan's already queuing up for tockets lol

lol

if yorkshire actually got independence its entire reason to live would vanish

leeds fans are getting bored eh

no way you can watch Leeds for years and not have a huge tolerance for boredom

Old choleric finger jabbing Freemasons, posh Tory voters (same thing really) and Leeds supporting scum are all bad elements of Yorkshire, and are I imagine the main driving forces behind this shite.

kudos if you can last the whole 3 mins

https://www.facebook.com/SPORTbible/videos/2634809473331235/

about 30 seconds, lad didn't even sing it with any conviction

Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho does not think he would be allowed to make a political statement on the touchline like Manchester City counterpart Pep Guardiola.

Fuck Mou. Even despite their "rivalry" (it sells tabloids lol), this is some next level pissy snitching to the teacher about a class mate.

I'd welcome a political free-for-all (within the law) when it comes to being allowed political statements on the pitch. Football is political. Everything is political. This close yr eyes and it doesn't exist thing is bollocks. Let Guardiola be pro Catalonia and show it. Let Moysey be the sad eyed poster boy for the Centrist Party. All the world's a stage, and football is not excluded.

Poch otm re transfers

link?

https://www.google.ie/search?q=irishtimes&oq=irishtimes&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65.7264j0j4&client=ms-android-oneplus&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#scso=uid_Wisb7AAIYa4KwA2H-AErAA_1:0

Ya Poch otm.

I find it admirable you Spurs fans on here can keep your calm. You're like Icarus approaching the sun. Just not there yet, not laying down the dough like the biggest clubs, yet obv too good a structure and players etc to finish ninth. You can be a true title contender, but the only thing separating you from it is probably spending wildly. Which you don't, and I admire that. But meanwhile you're playing for 2nd or 3rd or 4th every season. It'd frustrate the hell out of me. In limbo.

ehhhhhh LBI i don't really see that there is any moral high ground to cling to whatsoever in the Premier League these days (if there ever was) and at Man City least of all. Mourinho is a troll (and still occasionally quite funny, too) but gtfo acting like Guardiola is some political idealist here vs Mourinho as the devil incarnate. who the fuck does Guardiola work for and how much are they paying him

Spurs can't challenge for titles

And I think there's a break between the money a club has to spend and where it was earned.

I cant defend that but I believe it- or at least maybe I recognise LBI pov that football managers are responsible for their comportment but not the manner in which the cash that pays their wages at the top level of the game they love has been generated.

Anyway

A Spurs fan that can't enjoy these years would be some fuckdog wretch. The league, tbh any trophy, be grand like but everything else is so ahead of expectations that focusing on what we haven't got would be an exercise in forced misery.

who the fuck does Guardiola work for and how much are they paying him

That's, uh, not what it's about though. Nonetheless, Mourinho is famously far right isn't he?

He's famously quiet about it tbh

ehhhhhh LBI i don't really see that there is any moral high ground to cling to whatsoever in the Premier League these days (if there ever was) and at Man City least of all. Mourinho is a troll (and still occasionally quite funny, too) but gtfo acting like Guardiola is some political idealist here vs Mourinho as the devil incarnate. who the fuck does Guardiola work for and how much are they paying him

― Windsor Davies, Friday, December 8, 2017 11:48 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wow, stingy! I said nowt about moral high ground, nor idealist, nor devil incarnate iirc? Do I think Pep should be allowed to wear whatever the fuck ribbon for whatever the fuck cause he fucking wants to? Mos def. Much prefer coming clean to trolling.

lol don't mind me being grouchy, several of my friends are of the "pep = handsome, charming, free spirit left-wing football genius" persuasion (inevitably cast vs Mourinho, Mephistopheles managing FRANCO'S TEAM / Chelsea/ Man Utd, it's all the same to them) and i kinda fuckin hate it and am perpetually on the offensive on this particular subject. wasn't intending to be rude about it

don't know about the first thing about Mourinho's personal political affiliations, i suspect i don;t really want to know, was certainly not trying to align myself with any political positions that he may have assumed

still. you cant have it both ways imo. if you bring politics into modern football you're either condemning basically everyone all at once as contemptible scumbags (the actual truth) or you open yourself up to accusations of the rankest hypocrisy

i thought poch and levy went on holidays together! and of course levy has never done anything wrong...

worrying times.

btw tho, mourinho is obv a fucking cunt and pep, while arrogant, is not human poison.

most of us end up contributing to the world's shittiness through work, one way or another. can't really blame anybody who gets paid to work in football any more than anybody who gets paid to work for any other private company. if there's hypocrisy then most of us are implicated.

Mourinho is not really worse than Guardiola in any but the most superfluous and superficial ways, obviously he is a grade A cunt but that's the whole point. name me a top flight football manager that isn't/wasn't. i'm not defending Mourinho here, more asking for evidence that the rest of them are any better

nb by "worse" i mean 'as a human being', not 'as a manager of a football team'

unless you know people it's impossible to say isn't it? most people aren't grade A cunts but it's not like you don't run into a few in all spheres of life

mourinho is worse than anyone. i'm often amused by him but he's a fucking awful human being. he lies, he destroys his own players, referees, anyone, he gaslights, he has no sense of dignity or fairness. he used to couple this with some acerbic wit or arrogant charisma but that's been mostly blunted in recent years. it's outrageous to suggest he's typical. most of the rest of them are fine, he's the outlier.

i don't know him but it's p clear he's a nasty piece of work - a fairly big swathe of man u fans think the same ime. he's fully toxic. he's in no way typical of the modern manager and it's society is in the gutter stuff to imply they're all like him.

good at his job tho.

i've probably talked myself into a position i didn't want to be in here - i certainly was not trying to offer any defence of the way Mourinho has treated his own players (obviously he is a grade A cunt )

i just think that of the many, many, many reasons to dislike the guy, bringing actual irl politics into play is unhelpful because any contemporary that you might cast against him (in this case Guardiola) is also undoubtedly not a particularly great person although they may be less brazenly dickish in public

He crossed a big fucking line scapegoating the club doctor. Surprised Chelsea stuck with him over that (until crap results lol)- team doctor probably a more important figure for a top flight team than whatever case of narcissistic personality disorder is picking the team that week

i dunno about the real politics stuff, though mourinho's actual behaviour is portentous enough in that regard. i see your point tho.

i don't see reasons to hate guardiola apart from arrogance - it's not the same virulent, lying, dishonest, undermining shit that mou has, not even close. as i say, prob one of the best managers of his generation, but he has a deeply nasty streak which is almost unrivalled. which again may be key to the things he's achieved.

essentially mou is the ian paisley of football management.

who is the martin mcguinness of football management?

idk up to a point i feel like you can write off almost everything that happens within the football world as just so much nonsense. obviously one doesn't like to see Mourinho clowning Luke Shaw "it's ok to play him in the second half because he's on my flank and i can tell him where to stand", this is a man who has to go home and look his significant other in the eye etc. but on the other hand Luke Shaw makes more in a month or two than i am likely to make in my lifetime, so no matter how relentlessly he gets clowned by his manager there is only so much sympathy i can have and thus only so much dislike i can have for Jose Mourinho

the situation with the club doctor at Chelsea was disgusting and i would offer absolutely no excuse for that shit, this is why i have no problem dismissing Mourinho as a prick

but really. either you think that politics has a place in football, in which case, no you can NOT shut your eyes to who Pep Guardiola works for and how much they pay him without opening yourself up to the rankest hypocrisy (lol repeating myself for like the third time now, sorry) or you just close your eyes and ears, hold your nose and enjoy whatever football match you can illegally stream to your PC this weekend while pretending that the other stuff doesn't exist - in which case what Jose Mourinho does or does not say to the press about his players, or whether he turns up and plays the most negative, tedious anti-football one could imagine, all of that shit is just totally irrelevant (not the Eva Carneiro thing tho)

either way, you can get to fuck trying to talk like there is any moral dimension being a top flight football manager, beyond a certain point. if there is then they are all implicated, and if there isn't then what is the problem here beyond you disliking the way a particular manager conducts his business