Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

yes it was "Drumpf" that inspired all those people to pull the lever for the man promising to do away with immigrants

Polling suggests Oliver's glasses swung 10,000 votes in Michigan alone

imagine if Hillary had had Dorothy Michaels as a campaign manager!

Although it is very true that the majority of woke white guys I know are casting around desperately for scapegoats they can hold up so they don't have to cosign the argument "maybe a lot of white people in this country are racist/sexist to the point where it is worth it to harm themselves if they can take down their perceived enemies with them"

I disagree with frogbs, but derailing this thread is nagl, so let's get back on thread

I don't think there are any other threads to talk about Hillary on this board tho

"Sure there's a lot of racism/sexism in this country but maybe someone did something so snarky that the only reasonable response for some people was to close the borders and give all our money to the wealthy; have you considered that?"

believe it or not Whiney many people in America care about more than pop culture bullshit that makes them irrationally angry

I'm not going to argue anymore about this on this thread, so meet me somewhere else or save your breath

if only Oliver did a long sit down in which he tried to humanize and *understand* the "build the wall" crowd like every other news outlet did

DJP bringing major OTMness here

Hoffman pulled his regular old "BUT I WAS IN TOOTSIE!" card. I will defer to Teri Garr's brilliant AV Club interview regarding that. https://t.co/KyM9ZmqFKr pic.twitter.com/IsJbQSxCMX

— Tyler Coates (@tylercoates) December 5, 2017

at least in Tootsie the joke's on the Hoffman character. NO surprise that Hoffman's this self-absorbed in real life.

That Teri Garr interview is great

DJP otm, Whiney has the weirdest priorities

It's nice to fantasize about the thing that annoys you the most being proportionately responsible for everything wrong with the world. Sometimes when someone rudely cuts me off in traffic I want their entire family to disown them in that moment.

I disagree with frogbs, but derailing this thread is nagl, so let's get back on thread

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:41 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not going to argue anymore about this on this thread, so meet me somewhere else or save your breath

― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:43 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"last word!" - Whiney

the Democrats shitting on their constituents for 40 years = total nonfactor as always

BACK TO TOPIC

I'd say that counts as assault

I really didn't know anything about Dustin Hoffman other than he was a good actor; all of this is... "disappointing" isn't the right word but I don't have a better one. Like, he wasn't a role model I aspired to but he was an innocuous-seeming guy who gave a bunch of performances I've enjoyed and, while I have no reason to assume that generic people are generally good given the absence of any other information, I don't remember hearing or reading any stories about him being "difficult" which I translated internally to "this isn't someone who is going to go on record as being an ass about things".

The idea that walking around dressed as Tootsie gave him insight into what it was like to be a woman is the most ridiculous, shallow thing.

Hoffman was another case where the stuff was already out there: that old Meryl Streep interview where she describes him groping her as they met for the first time

Not disputing that the info was there, just saying that I didn't remember seeing it.

tbh Dustin Hoffman isn't an actor I think about all that much

he's great in a bunch of movies *and* the stories I've read about him (cf Kramer vs. Kramer) have generally painted a picture of an asshole. Not unusual.

I don't remember hearing or reading any stories about him being "difficult"

He's had the reputation for being EXTREMELY difficult for years! William Goldman's Adventures in the Screen Trade has a number of anecdotes about Hoffman that make him out to be a total jerk to work with, and Tootsie was apparently the nightmare shoot to end all nightmare shoots because of his bad behaviour on set.

had the same impression with Spacey - kinda disappointed but not that surprised

what I like about the Oliver/Hoffman exchange is really just that it ~happened~. I am not certain how successful it was but people at Hoffman’s level of will never talk openly about this if they are prepped beforehand.

Again, I dunno that it achieved much especially in that setting but I like the attempt

the Spacey thing was weird to me, because I'd heard the rumors for so many years and there were so many of them that I figured they had to be true. like every "share your celebrity encounter" article/thread always seemed to have one predatory anecdote about Kevin Spacey

xp yeah i love that Oliver did that, even if he bugs me, i dont give a fuck, what he did absolutely rules
i had no idea about Hoffman's reputation as difficult, his comments are pretty stupid & insane especially re: Tootsie

I dunno. Sure there's racism aplenty and more than enough to occupy us for uncounted decades ahead. But can you just let the groped women have their moment? kthxbye.

Wow, Aimless, the point flew so far over your head it veered into outer space

IOW that is a shitty oblivious asshole thing for you to say

Tootsie is in part about Hoffman the actor's insufferability on set

yes, he inspired his own character

Tootsie is also a majorly bad film - fewer jokes than you remember, and too much shouting

I will take this scene forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHqiipcw6g

(But it's the only thing I've watched from it in years and years.)

from Dec '82 on, has never seemed like any kind of masterpiece to me. Good and shallow comedy.

yeah it's fun but Morbz is correct

Anyway, fuck Hoffman, yay Oliver, etc.

Anyway, more on the National Enquirer/Us Weekly bro

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/national-enquirer-dylan-howard-sexual-misconduct-allegations_us_5a2704b5e4b06007f6b57303

Former employees of American Media Inc., which owns seven tabloids, told the AP that the company’s chief content officer, Dylan Howard, openly discussed his sex life, talked about female employees’ sex lives and forced women to watch or listen to pornographic material.

Howard left the company in 2012 after it launched an investigation into his behavior. He was later rehired with a promotion and worked out of the company’s New York office.

Tootsie is also a majorly bad film - fewer jokes than you remember, and too much shouting

― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:53 PM

this is the rongest thing I've ever read on ILE.

from Dec '82 on, has never seemed like any kind of masterpiece to me. Good and shallow comedy.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)

yes, a shallow masterpiece

Guess who’s Dustin Hoffman’s agent?

My assailant @WME ‘s Adam Venit.

If I wrote this in a movie you’d call it ridiculous.

ABUSERS PROTECT ABUSERS https://t.co/pBid0CInoe

— terrycrews (@terrycrews) December 5, 2017

(There is a tendency in this culture for people to far overpraise white men when they happen to make public their stumbling onto a non-troglodytic opinion—because white men are still, after all this bullshit, the "standard," and so I guess is the assumption of their bad opinions. The "John Oliver is a gold standard feminist" huzzah-ing in the wake of last nigh is ABSOLUTELY an incidence of that.)

*night

That is definitely the most frustrating part of all of this, going right back to what Hannibal Buress did. Oh, the men are speaking out so now you're all listening? OK then.

the opinion of 1 man > countless women howling into the void :(

yep

that one woman who talked to the netflix guy at the youth soccer game is the exception that proves the rule

I assumed the entirety of praise was because he confronted someone accused in such a public setting

that stuff on The Graduate DVD came out years ago and no one said boo

here’s a useful thread on this subtopic for those confused about the eye rolling

lmao a few years ago john oliver didn’t know why it was fucked up that there were no women at the daily show stop praising men for doing the bare minimum male feminism is a sham thank you for playing https://t.co/Q5f2D7cddi https://t.co/eWaFiKqxSS

— Aminatou Sow (@aminatou) December 5, 2017