2017-18 NBA REGULAR SEASON THREAD PART 1 ALL OF AMERICAS FAVORITE TEAMS ARE BACK

Here's the weird truth: even in this halcyon era, the Warriors never quite figured out offense with Curry on the bench. They've scored at around a league-average rate, or worse, with Curry resting in each of the past four seasons, per NBA.com. They have never really locked on a non-Curry identity. They move around without purpose, in cluttered space. Green shoots and distributes more, and can get a little wild. Thompson shoots more, and a little less accurately.

Golden State scored 115.4 points per 100 possessions when Curry played without Durant last season, and 108.7 with Durant as the lone alpha. The splits this season: 116 points per 100 possessions with just Curry, 107 with just Durant.

They remain historic with Curry as soloist. They are normal-good with Durant alone -- so far.

kinda makes u wonder abt drays legendary point forward abilities :P

crazy how dray's lineup numbers are consistently on in the top 10 of the league then!

weird there seems to be something abt lineup numbers in general i cant quite put my finger on

even the ones that adjust for teammates ;)

that said lineup data over less than a third of the season is probably quite meaningless

the famously good adjustments that definitely understand basketball

*extremely stats guy voice* its a bit noisy over the course of a career

here for this: http://hoopshype.com/2017/12/06/tom-thibodeau-and-timberwolves-players-may-have-chemistry-issues/

yessss

The team currently has four guys in the top 10 for most minutes played this season,

lol who coulda predicted.

KATs numbers/usage are way down, seems like he should be able to sustain even with the addition of Jimmy B. #FreeKAT #FireThibs

some good blazer stuff in here
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/blazers-core-question-has-damian-lillard-cj-mccollum-pairing-already-peaked/

Booker has a left groin strain and the projected recover time is 2-3 weeks according to Suns GM Ryan McDonough.

— John Gambadoro (@Gambo987) December 6, 2017

Was gonna try to go to wiz phx tomorrow but f that no wall or book

that lowe kd vs curry article was interesting in its detials but the premise is kinda tautological and not actually that compelling, like hes asking whos most valuable but just as easily couldve asked who is the offense built around and the answer to both is the offense is built around steph, of course one could also build an offense around durant, and maybe the warriors should or at least build it around steph and kd since they have them both

its like when ppl trip over the value part of mvp theyre mistaking the context for the conclusion

i do think lowe prob knows that, it was just a half assed attempt to have a flashy headline

yeah solid points

i'm sure he didn't write the headline but i find lowe's articles have a way of circling around points rather than just getting to them.

the stuff about steph driving more and taking more midrange stuff was interesting though. i wonder how much the injured finger is causing him to avoid lower-percentage 3s.

Teams are just chasing him off more is how I’ve seen it.

not sure i can watch the hawks if they're gonna give minutes to miles plumlee

Jimmy Butler says he needs to talk to Thibs about playing 40 minutes pic.twitter.com/a8MgqPboKO

— CJ Fogler (@cjzero) December 7, 2017

Somehow Harrison Barnes and Wesley Mathews have net ratings of -30 this season. Not sure I’ve ever seen that from full time starters this far in

is this you heez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCjyViYv9ss

Lmao

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/7/16744356/lonzo-ball-los-angeles-laker-shot

the floater and layup gifs, my god

i have studied the film and it appears he shoots from the wrong side of his head

https://i.imgur.com/lG3mV80.png

i wonder if some players have a hard time transitioning to the NBA ball.

― Spottie, Friday, October 20, 2017 9:14 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the nba ball is the best ball!

― lag∞n, Friday, October 20, 2017 9:15 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah of course im just saying no one talks about how different it feels to the crap composite squishy ones everyone grows up with and are used in HS/NCAA

― Spottie, Friday, October 20, 2017 9:16 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ncaa shd shell out for some dece balls wth

― lag∞n, Friday, October 20, 2017 9:17 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they used an all leather Wilson ball in the 90s, it was really nice, had me a couple. Somewhere along the way they adopted the Wilson Evolution and then the HORRIBLE Nike balls. ugh. now every team or conference uses whatever their sponsors makes them play with.

― Spottie, Friday, October 20, 2017 9:20 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

His 41.2 3-point percentage at UCLA is an anomaly — one that may have to do with a ball more than Ball himself.

An NBA executive passed along a theory to me that Lonzo shot better in college with Wilson brand balls since they have a softer grip with deeper ridges and thus mitigate the effects of his funky form. As I detailed this March, the numbers checked out: Ball shot 43.3 percent on 150 attempts using Wilson balls in college, compared with 34.1 percent on 44 attempts using Nike balls. All told, Ball has shot only 32 percent on 469 3-point attempts over the past three years of competition using non-Wilson balls. The NBA uses a Spalding ball, which is leather and widely considered the best on the planet. But what if Ball is struggling to adjust?

*bows*

pretty cool

The NBA will “move quickly” toward putting an @nbagleague franchise in Mexico City, league sources tell the @nytimes

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) December 7, 2017

hey that's awesome

sweet!

based on some of the local sports dudes scuttlebutt things are getting bad between Thibs and the Wolves

god this franchise it's so fucking demoralizing, like year after year of this shit like i know we are 4th in the west and four games over 500 which is a fuckin miracle for this shitshow team but honestly given the players we have i feel like we are gonna just get the bare minimum of wins you should get given the talent on the roster

KAT looks like he's going to a funeral every night

i'm not saying everyone needs to be steve kerr or w/e but honestly it seems like thibs just sucks the life out of ppl

yeah in 2017 you prob need to be a least a bit of a players coach, which is good imo

thibs also just has such unique down vibes, even just the way u can always hear him yelling on tv is unpleasant

it's a weird sitch. maybe he should hire an assistant to do the rotations? from the outside it seems fixable but who knows. not getting the most out of your young studs is pretty damning, tho.

the target center is built on cursed land

yeah i have no idea

it's like we hire respected assistants, turns to shit, hire respected veterans, hire fuckin dumb weirdos no one thinks should coach, it always turns to shit

we get flip back and he dies of cancer :(

one guy i always go back to as having gotten a raw deal was dwane casey, we ran him outta town for apparently no reason and i think he's a very solid coach (at least that was my impression when he was here and generally from afar seems to have done a solid job w/the raptors)

right now though, it's pretty damning of Thibs, for his supposed defensive genius, we aren't playing remarkably better defense then we ever have, and honestly i could dress up in a suit and draw penises on the clipboard and this team would be able to score over 100 pts

reminds me -- that was still the most inspirational pep talk i've ever been given

thibs' jeff van gundy + hannibal lector vibe might work at first but i think with this team you need a positive feedback type of coach, yeah.

i thought there was a chance Butler might keep increasing his PPG in minnesota but he's around 18 pts.

he was the only scorer really last year but now he's sharing w KAT and Wiggins

yeah true...

i think (hope?) thibs is gonna be the mark jackson to someone's kerr with these guys. i need another midwest team to root for, since the bulls should be contracted.

The Sixers are nearing a deal to send Jahlil Okafor to Brooklyn, league sources tell ESPN.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) December 7, 2017

Philly will send Okafor, Nik Stauskas, and a second-round pick to Brooklyn for Trevor Booker, sources say.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) December 7, 2017

the nets are doing good work

...its stauskus

yeah sex is cool but have you ever traded a former #3 & #8 overall pick for Trevor Booker?

— Max Lederman (@Max_Lederman) December 7, 2017

i hope okafor thrives in his new home seems like hes had a p shitty nba experience

Nets end up with the #2 and #3 picks from the 2015 draft and gave up nothing they cared about

that lonzo blog on the ringer was extremely alarming

i see woke hinkie truthers on twitter slamming colangelo for this deal but i fail to see where he's at fault for hinkie drafting 4 guys in the top 10 who play the same position