Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

ok

It is gross, and it was even grosser when they actually named him person of the year in 2016. No publicity is bad publicity.

I can't believe this conversation happens every year when Time releases their Person of the Year. Hitler was Person of the Year in 1938. it's not a moral judgment, it's an objective call on who or what influenced the news & the culture & the world the most in that year. if the floodgates hadn't opened after Weinstein, it would've been Trump again, no one comes close.

Sorry the world sucks, don't blame Time

maybe they could name Hitler POTY every year, just as a reminder

Yeah, we understand the intent. The problem is that Trump and probably a good many of his fans just see a magazine cover naming him person of the year and thing 'awesome'.

thing think

Shaaaaaame on you, shameless person we're putting on the cover of our magazine! We hope you feel duly chastised!

yeah let's accommodate idiots more, good call

Yeah that's what I'm arguing, good reading comprehension.

Even having it read "person" of the year would go over their heads

changing a century old tradition to accommodate Trump and MAGA idiots really would stick it to them huh

I don't think "accommodate" means what you think it means and holding onto a tradition for the sake of tradition is foolish.

accommodate as in to adjust to the stupidity of people that misunderstand the concept. i agree that traditions shouldn't be continued simply because they're old, but i see no issue with Time's POTY protocol. it's a reflection of the world, good bad and everything in between.

yes maybe if the intent is easily misunderstood it reflects a poor journalistic practice

that Yes was a xpost to DJP

I don't think it loses anything by being renamed to "newsmaker of the year" or whatever

^agreed on that. not the name I'm wedded to, I'm a fan of the concept.

that's better than "King of the News" which was going to be my suggestion

^Check Out This Person, Whoa!

The tradition comes from a time when the subject in question could be reasonably expected to understand whether being named person of the year was a good thing or a bad thing. Like how we all knew it was a bad thing that one time we were collectively commemorated as the living human population of the planet earth.

i name all of us Successfully Anonymous People of the Year

XXL's Freshman Newsmaker Class

it's all a bit of a cheat anyway: "person of the year" doesn't mean "newsmaker of the year" either - it's a title chosen conferred for how well the person emblematizes major news event(s) while still being a saleable cover star. otherwise clearly Osama bin Laden (or Harvey Weinstein himself) would have been given the designation.

Franken back on SNL w/in 2 years?

Lopate "baffled." No details on allegations.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/06/media/leonard-lopate-jonathan-schwartz-wnyc/index.html

Lopate?!

I don't think it loses anything by being renamed to "newsmaker of the year" or whatever

― Simon H., Wednesday, December 6, 2017 2:57 PM (fifty-five minutes ago)

you guys will love MVP debates on ILH/ILB

BREAK: Lorin Stein, the editor of the Paris Review, has resigned amid an investigation into his conduct with women https://t.co/mUELfZ9ai5

— Sydney Ember (@melbournecoal) December 6, 2017

omg are the bad literary men going to start toppling??? can't wait.

Oof. They all fall down.

The board’s decision to review Mr. Stein’s behavior came after he informed board members that his name had appeared on a list created after the Harvey Weinstein scandal to anonymously crowdsource allegations of harassment and misconduct by men in publishing and media.

can you imag this meeting?

franken will resign tomorrow, apparently

I wish he would cling for his political life and fite

why

This was quite good on these 'confusing' times.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/12/where_is_the_line_between_office_flirtation_and_sexual_harassment.html

I wish he would cling for his political life and fite

― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 22:05 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

posts, and the preposterous posters who post them

xp that article is a bit long-winded but not a bad story

I wish he would cling for his political life and fite

― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 22:05 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

posts, and the preposterous posters who post them

― imago, Wednesday, December 6, 2017 11:11 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTFM. Many posters here crying wolf about Franken. A person who harassed a woman. And the "such a shame, gud sentor, wish e'd fight!" posts are legion. Merely because they liked him as a politician/never expected it from him/such a shame/good guy/boy didna mean no 'arm.

Yeah, this is part of the problem people.

yeehaw wahoo git r done am i rite fellers

The question isn't "Why are Democrats acquiescing?" It's "Let's pulverize the GOP over this in the next year."

How are you not still banned? xp

posters have "forcibly tried" to ban me, it's true

xp Same thing. Dems can, and should, pulverize the GOP without Al fucking Franken. It's up for grabs. There's a GOP monkey in the white house. It's on a silver platter, for the taking. You don't need a harasser to accomplish this great feat. A better monkey should suffice.

I wish he would cling for his political life and fite

― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:05 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:51 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sarcasm, sorry to disappoint.

He needs to go, but others have said it better than me.

This was quite good on these 'confusing' times.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2017/12/where_is_the_line_between_office_flirtation_and_sexual_harassment.html

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:57 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Several women have written recently that they fear a coming backlash—that one false allegation against a famous man will bring this whole new reality crashing down, or that in the understandable urge to name names, women will be seen as the aggressors, out to tar every man’s reputation. I have those fears too, but I also fear the consequences of overcorrection, of the concept of harassment ballooning to include perfectly legitimate attempts at seduction—the initial touch, the scooting closer in the booth, the drunken sloppy first kiss, the occasional bad call or failed pass."

I worry about the combination of these things turning the whole movement into a tightrope walk. If just one major accusation comes out as verifiably false for some reason, or if too many accusations fall into that slippery slope overcorrection NBD category she mentions, it will give something that general management/HR/board members etc can point to when there is pressure to fire an accused member of their team. A lot of the accused are very important to their organizations in one way or another, but the current public pressure to cut ties is so great that it outweighs other options they have to deal with the situation that they might have preferred for the sake of their business. I feel like if just one major story was shown to be false all organizations would be able to say that it shows that going forward all the facts need to be internally investigated thoroughly before any rash decision is made. Then it just goes away and nothing happens. Companies are able to damage control by expressing concern and then letting it just fizzle out.

If just one major accusation comes out as verifiably false for some reason

If? The cultural right already keeps bringing up Duke lacrosse and the Rolling Stone frat thing as magical trump cards that should necessarily cause any legit accusation to fizzle, because if some people got it sorta wrong once then it's all suspect.

also too soon for hellscape projection imo

xp Same thing. Dems can, and should, pulverize the GOP without Al fucking Franken. It's up for grabs. There's a GOP monkey in the white house. It's on a silver platter, for the taking. You don't need a harasser to accomplish this great feat. A better monkey should suffice.

I really wish you had used almost any other word aside from "monkey" here.