the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

- What would these people even agree on beyond a vague 'yay free markets, boo Brexit' stance?
- Why would anyone want to "pull our politics back from the edge" by returning to something that has already led to disaster. Not a hypothetical one, an actual economic disaster that we're all still dealing with?
- Chucking Cameron and Osborne in there suggests that you don't really think austerity was that bad, rather than the cause of the mess we're currently going through
- Imagine what it would do to the electorate to see Major, Blair and Cameron all lining up on the same side. Their respective legacies or what remains of them would be destroyed. All it would do is reinforce the "they're all the same" line that Farage exploited.

It's all bollocks anyway.

always include a war criminal in your list of ideal members for your new party: check

- The LibDems still exist and no one votes for them.

the LibDems are bad and they should feel bad

This quaintly early-C20th notion that they can say one thing in negotiation and another for the audience at home is leading them into a number of (hilarious to me) unforced fuck-ups.

It keeps reminding me of Parker Posey in Josie & The Pussycat, and her inability to keep her "inside voice" inside.

EU people are reading our media

p sure lenin's and bismarck's and napoleon's ppl were also pulling this dastardly stunt tbrr, it's a lesson our upper* echelons seem to have comprehrensively unlearned

*yes lol

I think the whole idea of Macron in France is that he (in theory) is centrism without the horrible baggage of that entire list.

centrism is all horrible baggage

Was gonna say, that sounds more like the whole idea of Macron outside of France; in France he has plenty baggage.

A lot of that is make-up tbf

Clean hit

the english language as an export triumph and a diplomatic problem:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/12/why-guy-verhofstadt-angry-david-davis-because-britain-has-brexit-strategy

actual best sentence:
"When Denis Healey was overseeing the final stages of Britain’s retreat from empire, Aden’s penultimate governor, Richard Turnbull, told him that ultimately the British Empire would be remembered for just two things: the game of association football, and the expression 'Fuck off'."

fuck off and dier

Poll out

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1uNGzUMAAFWlX.jpg

Lol

not least at the idea that 'this country has worked'

A list of all centrist parties this year:

People starting centrist dad parties on twitter: a brief thread about 2017’s hottest new trend

— Alan White (@aljwhite) December 6, 2017

can't believe there are so many movements based on middle class Tories trying to protect easy access to their holiday gîtes

totally full of gîte are these purveyors of "sensible politics". They need to realise they are actually dead, not good!

or I meant.. good!

so like... these tory rebels - aren't they just as likely to actually stop brexit happening at all if they vote against this?

they always let you down do these tories!

I mean as in are they actually going to live up to the "rebel" tag for once?

When I think of all the dastardly acts that have gone through parliament in the last 7 years, I raise a glass to these moderate "rebels"!

There’s two things - a Brexit deal can be stopped by rebels, but actually stopping Brexit takes a positive act: the govt needs to try to revoke A50, and get the EU’s agreement to its revocation.

The current Tory Party isn’t capable of the second I don’t think, not with its sizeable minority faction still believing a hard crash out is a good/possible thing.

Brexit SHOCK warning: Britain will be WORSE OFF out of the EU under ALL Brexit scenarioshttps://t.co/TBpkwyzpVm pic.twitter.com/bi5fQteyKO

— Daily Express (@Daily_Express) December 12, 2017

SHOCK

Fortunately Brussels uses a different internet to the UK one so they can't read this. https://t.co/JyzCv3ztGf

— Alan Beattie (@alanbeattie) December 13, 2017

govt defeated on grieve amendment

Breaking: Government defeated by EU rebels to enforce 'meaningful vote' on the final Brexit deal; 309 v 305. Wow.

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) December 13, 2017

Here comes the fun

Wow

alex tomo currently giving tulip siddiq a doing on channel 4 news

Nadine Dorries and Tim Montgomerie tweeting furious demands that the tory rebels be deselected is some good schadenfreude

You gotta fight
For your right
To Breeeeeeeeeexiiit

merry xmas everyone

Nadine Dorries and Tim Montgomerie tweeting furious demands that the tory rebels be deselected is some good schadenfreude

Trotskyist bullies.

Pretty good day.

lol who is this bloke?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/914971208281657344/r4u3nLn0_400x400.jpg

@faisalislam
Chuka Umunna now listing the number of time the eurosceptics have rebelled against the Government...Davis - 90 times, Fox - 19 times, Leadsom - 7 times, Redwood - 17 times Jenkin - 95 times, Cash - 100+ times
“None of these people can lecture people seeking to do the right thing”

Newsnight just ridiculously irrelevant these days

Let me just check I've got this right:

- As of last week, no deal eventuality = Britain basically continues under current rules
- Which reduces the risk if Parliament vetoes a deal, when previously this would = crashing out on WTO rules
- Unless something major happens there's no majority in Parliament for a Hard Brexit
- UNLESS that would lead to the collapse of the government, a GE, Jeremy Corbyn in #10 etc, so it hinges on how many Tory rebels can be intimidated round to the government's way of thinking?
- May won't want to see any of this stuff happen anyway so a hard Brexit is pretty much dead in the water? It's been obvious for a while that she is likely to cave on most of what the EU wants her to cave on, but the fact that she wouldn't be able to get it through Parliament anyway means that a reasonably sane outcome is a lot more likely?

Two Labour MPs voted with the government. I imagine I don't have to mention them by name, you'll already have guessed.

kate hoey being a former trot from an ulster unionist background who supports brexit is like someone made a human being in a petri dish specifically for me to loathe

oh yeah and she's pro-fox hunting, anti-cycling and (of course considering she's a brexiteer) anti-immigration

I'm not convinced Hoey is human at all tbh.

Not sure if the undead are human or not tbh, so Frank Field's status is undefined.

Let me just check I've got this right:

- As of last week, no deal eventuality = Britain basically continues under current rules

DAILY MAIL: Proud of Yourselves? #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/sQ3o6P1kNZ

— Neil Henderson (@hendopolis) December 13, 2017