apparently it's alcantara + three lesser minor leaguers? which seems like another piss-poor return, even if ozuna's only available for two seasons
yelich now huddled on his couch, crying softly
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
curious to see who the other three are, but yeah, on the face of it this seems like the marlins made a dum dum again. (of course, if ozuna regresses more than expected and alcantara ends up being a decent mid-rotation guy, then maybe i'm the dummy)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
Kinsler to the Angels for a gently used scorebook.
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 December 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
EVERYONE is older now, Brian Kenny.
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 December 2017 04:11 (six years ago) link
piscotty to oakland for two mid-level infield prospects
supposedly this was partly driven by the fact that piscotty's mom has ALS and lives in california, and the cardinals were doing him a solid
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
fernando rodney to the twins
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
xpostyeah, i think that definitely played a role. as far back as last year they were trying to trade him to OAK (for sonny gray, at the time).i like piscotty a lot, i think everyone is glad to see him move back home. hopefully beane won't trade him at the deadline!
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
The Mets have reportedly signed reliever Anthony Swarzak to a two-year deal worth $14 million.
The Mariners signed pitcher Juan Nicasio to a two-year deal worth $17 million.
The Astros have reportedly signed reliever Joe Smith for two-years.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
astros also picked anthony gose, as a pitcher, in the rule 5 draft. which should be interesting, if terrifying for hitters
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
Source: Red Sox want to, trying to sign BOTH J.D. Martinez and Eric Hosmer. Story: https://t.co/VULJL88r5y— Michael Silverman (@MikeSilvermanBB) December 14, 2017
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― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
lmao "Joe Smith" such a perfect reliever name
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
fucking red sox
martinez at DH seems inevitable, but i wouldn't be so happy about landing the legendary eric hosmer at 1B for several years
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
i was p happy w 2-bags tbh
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 December 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
Mets in pursuit of Kipnis
https://www.amazinavenue.com/2017/12/14/16778884/mets-trade-rumors-new-york-jason-kipnis-indians-winter-meetings
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
freddy galvis to san diego for a double-a pitcher
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
Sources: phillies agree to deal with Carlos Santana— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 15, 2017
so i guess that makes rhys hoskins an outfielder?
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
zack cozart to the angels
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
looks like the Angels are all in, immediately
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
if only they could bring themselves to dfa prince albert
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
that would help
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
@JeffPassanThe consensus on Carlos Santana's $60M deal with the Phillies: It bodes awfully well for free agent hitters. Santana is four years older than Eric Hosmer. A seven-year, $175M ask no longer seems beyond the pale. Good news for Logan Morrison and other available first basemen, too.
i don't follow this logic. i'd much rather have three years of santana at $20m/year than seven years of hosmer at $25m/year, no matter what the age difference is
hosmer was at or below (fangraphs) replacement level in two of his last four seasons ffs. steamer has him at 2.6 WAR next season, meaning he *might* almost be worth $25m in the first year of his contract, god forbid we talk about the other six. (steamer has santana at 3.1 in 2018 fwiw)
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Yankees and pirates are continuing to talk about Gerrit Cole. Clint Frazier would likely be part of package, if it happens.— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 15, 2017
oh good
― mookieproof, Friday, 15 December 2017 22:13 (six years ago) link
I like that deal for Santana for the Phillies. He's a fairly durable and consistent player. I was thinking the only drag might be that he was the DH quite a bit with Cleveland but he played 140 games at first last year.
Signing Cozart to play third seems kinda weird, but the Angels should have pretty good infield defense
― earlnash, Friday, 15 December 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
Matt Kemp to the Dodgers for Adrian Gonzalez, Scott Kazmir, Brandon McCarthy, and Charlie Culberson!
― timellison, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
desperate for that valuable Kemp-sized -1.3 WAR.
― omar little, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
on top of that,
Sources: Kemp unlikely to play for #Dodgers. Strong candidate to be traded or released.— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 16, 2017
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
weird
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
I don't understand anything about this game beyond what actually happens on the field.
― WilliamC, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
idgi. dodgers save a tiny bit of money but some of those guys might conceivably have been useful next year
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
40 man maybe
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
also CC back to the yanks pending a lol physical
matt moore to the rangers, who i guess really want to throw nothing but lefties against the astros and angels next year
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 December 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
it's all likely about the luxury tax, according to mlbtraderumors
however, idgi either tbh
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 16 December 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
This has to be one of the strangest trades ever, even if it is a luxury tax thing. There wasn't a single other MLB team willing to take on any of those players in exchange for a minor prospect and some salary relief?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 16 December 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
If the Jays are hell-bent on acquiring a washed-up outfielder in his early '30s, I think I'd rather have Kemp than Carlos Gonzalez.
― clemenza, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
Cargo can play his position, at least. Kemp’s defense is so bad that he has to be an outstanding hitter to make up for it, and he’s been merely slightly above average for a while now
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 16 December 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
I look at those typically awful home-road splits for Gonzalez, though, and I think I'd rather stick the non-fielder in left and hope for the best. It's not much of a choice.
― clemenza, Saturday, 16 December 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
Atlanta is going to get rid of Adrian Gonzalez. I wonder if he is done or could bounce back if healthy etc.
― earlnash, Sunday, 17 December 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
i'm sure someone will take a flyer on him when he's dfa'd
hope it's the red sox
― mookieproof, Sunday, 17 December 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
I was thinking the Tribe might be an interesting destination for Adrian Gonzales.
― earlnash, Sunday, 17 December 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
Gallardo back to the Brewers was unexpected
― Evan R, Monday, 18 December 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
Sullivan on Kemp trade
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dodgers-trade-debt-to-braves-in-exchange-for-debt/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
xp maybe he was real cheap and they figured they could get him back to halfway decent form? worked for Jeffress, I guess. glad to see him back but *looks at stats from last two years*...yikes
― frogbs, Monday, 18 December 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
Is Mitch Moreland worth $13 million for two years? Karl Malone can break that down by WAR--he seems eminently replaceable to me for a lot less money than that.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 00:02 (six years ago) link
he's a league-average hitter and reasonably good fielder -- totally worth it for that kind of money, if he stays healthy
also it would suggest that they're out on hosmer, which is probably a good thing in itself
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
With Red Sox cash, they can afford to take Moreland around as just a bench player for another year, which he would be handy if expensive.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
Not sure how much a market is Hosmer really going to have? Most of the money teams already got a guy at first.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
i don't know, he's league-average hitter when you compare him to all position players, but he's below average when you just look at first basemen (25th out of 28 qualifying 1B last year by wRC+)
i do think it makes sense to consider the amount of WAR/$ when evaluating contracts, but it's not everything. theoretically you could create an entire team full of players that are a relative bargain, but if they're all 2.0 WAR players it won't be enough to make the playoffs, even if each of them is playing at league minimum. i definitely don't want hosmer on the cardinals and think some team is going to get screwed, but maybe he makes a little more sense for a team like the red sox that can afford to overpay? he probably won't come close to "earning" his contract, but he's probably also a good bet to outperform mitch moreland, right? i don't know
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 00:53 (six years ago) link
I was also thinking he was less than league-average when you consider position and park. (And a 1.0 oWAR means a game above replacement level, no? Which must be below league-average.) Throw in his age, and that seems like a very generous contract.
But, as pointed out above, the Red Sox can throw as much money around as they want.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
I figure the Red Sox are mostly signing Moreland to start around 100 games and then try other things at first. If the RedSox could get Todd Frazier to play supersub, that would be a decent player to make up a platoon at first and would be handy to user elsewhere.
I think the big thing is I doubt Boston will put any other big long deals out probably leaving open to get in the sweepstakes next free agent year.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
Jose Abreu is still out there and if the Red Sox don't get him now, they could always pick him up later. White Sox will probably try to move him at some point, earlier the better I would figure.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link