Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

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I love it! Gratuitous in what way?

WilliamC, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link

Everyone keeps getting brained by Barda in an over-lovingly detailed way

Maybe it'll read better in the trade tho'

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link

I would say, I'm finally reading Omega Man and it's fantastic

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link

This is probably the right time to point out that DC removed Rebirth branding from all their books last week.

Thomas Gabriel Fischer does not endorse (aldo), Friday, 15 December 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link

So are their books going to be officially rebranded as Afterbirth or is that just implied?

Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link

As a fan of moreoreless everything else Tom King has done, I'm finding his run on Mister Miracle really unenjoyable and gratuitous. There's too much quirk to write it off as a Gritty Reboot, but it seems very alienating and fanboys-only-ish. Anyone else?

I only read the first issue, but it was hilariously dumb

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link

officially rebranded as Afterbirth

Marvel and DC have both put the old-school rectangle back on their covers, but the design is super-garish in both cases, looks hella naff

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2017 15:47 (six years ago) link

I haven't read the latest Miracle but the way I interpreted the book so far is King is trying to get into the headspace of the depressed - I thought he captured the deadening of affect, the disassociation, finally erupting in rage after being pressed beyond endurance really well. I have a hard time reading it because like Ware it cuts a little too deep. I'm sure King picked the character of Free to go into these themes because of his traumatic backstory and the irony of him being an escape artist. I don't think it justifies quite all the hype, because the distance between the superhero fantasy world of empowerment and the dead-inside life of the mentally ill is just too much dissonance and the reader can't connect those two worlds. I'm not really sure who the audience for the book is, but I'm still glad it exists.

Brakhage, Friday, 15 December 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link

the newest one was where it all clicked for me, and all of the themes aligned

mh, Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:30 (six years ago) link

and the meta-commentary that funky flashman brings to the table was well utilized

mh, Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link

I'm reading Dark Nights Metal #4, in the first half we've got a fish shouting "By Poseidon's Beard!" at Deathstroke and Starro the Conquerer making a grand entrance with "HAHAHAH! I'm back, losers!" I'm into this.

Nhex, Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link

I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on, but I did also lol at that Starro line

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 21 December 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link

Is this Phantom Girl as in LSH's Phantom Girl? How'd she get here?: http://www.dccomics.com/comics/the-terrifics-2018/the-terrifics-1

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link

NM, guess this "explains" it: https://www.cbr.com/who-are-dc-comics-terrifics/

Excited to see how the Legion is reintroduced, whenever it finally happens (after all these dribs & drabs)...

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link

She got sent back to the current day by Glorith in a trans-time body-swap with The Durlan when he returned to become RJ Brande, DUH.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link

morrisp = #fakegeekgirl

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link

I thought that happened during the "Five Years Later" storyline, which is no longer canon in the "retroboot" version of the team (or something).

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 05:03 (six years ago) link

Legion's history has never made any sense

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 07:44 (six years ago) link

when they're doing it right, yes

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 13:44 (six years ago) link

I personally feel that random individual Legionnaires, off on their own, are of very limited interest... the main appeal of the Legion (for me) is the space-opera scope of the whole team together, in its element.

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link

are you suggesting that DC might be making a dumb publishing decision based solely on airing some dormant IP

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link

i'm suggesting a split gilbert hernandez matter eater lad / jaime night girl/phantom book or gtfo

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link

Penny Century >> Laurel Gand

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 28 December 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link

Without wishing to troll, the Legion is dumb dated bullshit and can fuck off

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 December 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link

it did!

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 05:06 (six years ago) link

It has at least 3 times in 20 years, LOL

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Thursday, 28 December 2017 05:18 (six years ago) link

I am quite enjoying... Doomsday Clock

Weird mix of curiosity about where the story's going, hate read, and actual enjoyment

Forgive me

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 30 December 2017 21:37 (six years ago) link

The first issue had me guiltily intrigued. The second issue was a hot mess and I'm done.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 31 December 2017 04:02 (six years ago) link

Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. Whoops, it’s Krypto... :(

absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link

It makes more sense to think of this as the se

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link

I mean,

It makes more sense to think of this as the sequel to Zak Snyder's Watchmen

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

I see that they mention Tom Strong in that Terrifics solicitation. The Mooresploitation continues apace!

Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link

Why doesn't Moore own the ABC stuff again?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link

Looked it up; ABC was an imprint of Wildstorm which got acquired by DC

Nhex, Monday, 1 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link

Not shedding any tears for Snake Man though

Nhex, Monday, 1 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildStorm#Creator-owned_titles

ABC is listed under Wildstorm's creator owned titles. I know that several of these titles have nothing to do with DC now but where did ABC go wrong?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Best_Comics A little more info here, and on the LOEG page

The short version was that ABC was negotiated with Moore right before Lee sold Wildstorm, and Moore decided to compromise until DC pissed him off with movie business. He wrapped up his contributions and took League elsewhere, while some other series were continued for a while. I have no idea who owns the other characters or how the licensing and ownership stands for the other books

Listing them under Wildstorm is technically true, but only so much as they published the line

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

It's just weird that he didn't secure ownership of his characters when many other less experienced Wildstorm creators did.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

I think he has ownership, but the publishing rights were (and likely still are) held by Wildstorm/DC

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link

It’d be a very Moore move to not make more material in order to help kill sales of the existing material if it’s DC publishing it

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link

DC shouldn't be able to incorporate ABC characters if Moore still owns them.

I think the reason he could do more League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen is because they are public domain characters.

Whether it's ownership or publishing rights, it's weird that he didn't get this sorted.

If kids like J Scott Campbell and Joe Madureira can do it then why can't Moore?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

What characters have they been using?

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

never mind, saw the Tom Strong mention

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link

Here we go:
https://www.cbr.com/dc-rights-americas-best-comics-alan-moore/

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link

Thanks. I'm sure it's all written somewhere but it still leaves the questions of why he didn't do a creator owned deal for all of ABC and why DC is allowed LoEG movie and reprint rights.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link

Because the market was in the dumper and he needed money, afaict

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link

The short version was that ABC was negotiated with Moore right before Lee sold Wildstorm,

Lee specifically had Moore create an entire line to make the Wildstorm sale more attractive to DC - it was basically ABC and the colouring department that DC bought.

Lee and Dunbier flew to England the morning the sale was announced to mollify Moore in person.

and Moore decided to compromise until DC pissed him off with movie business.

and multiple incidents of censorship. He compromised for one reason only: he'd committed to a year of each title, and it would have been putting about ten artists and Klein out of work.

He wrapped up his contributions

He'd already gone two years beyond his initial plans, because he got so excited about the work once he was deep in it, tbf. (He originally thought that other writers of his stature would want to come in from the #13s.)

and took League elsewhere,

League was an Homage (Wildstorm's creator-owned imprint) book, not created for ABC. Lee muddied the waters by moving it under ABC at DC for bookkeeping purposes: Moore's cheques came from a separate company called Firewall, LLC, not DC/Warner.

while some other series were continued for a while. I have no idea who owns the other characters or how the licensing and ownership stands for the other books

??

― mh, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 5:51 AM (two hours ago)

It's just weird that he didn't secure ownership of his characters when many other less experienced Wildstorm creators did.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:10 AM (one hour ago)

He made the line WFH in order to get higher page rates for the artists. It's only weird if you ignore his entire publishing career, where he perpetually makes decisions based on the principle that he would prefer to assume he is dealing with honorable people who won't fuck him over, rather than ever pay attention to business matters. "Whatever you think is best, Steve."

I think he has ownership, but the publishing rights were (and likely still are) held by Wildstorm/DC

― mh, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 6:12 AM (one hour ago)

He has no ownership whatsoever.

I swear I've typed all this out on here every 18 months for the last 13 years.

Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link

i was gonna write 'in before sic' but juuuuuuust missed it

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:32 (six years ago) link

It's only weird if you ignore his entire publishing career, where he perpetually makes decisions based on the principle that he would prefer to assume he is dealing with honorable people who won't fuck him over

― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 1 January 2018 21:21

Still very strange that he was willing to assume this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link

not even sure why I postulate or google search instead of calling the sic hotline tbh

mh, Monday, 1 January 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link


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