Way too many plot setups with unsatisfying concludions.
Uh this was the entire point of the movie
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
Yeah I know I know the point of the movie was ‘failure’ . But they should’ve had something different in the mix. When all the main stories share the same lesson it feels more like a tv episode from an 80’s cartoon instead of a movie. The missed a montage of C3PO at the end going “In today’s episode we learned about failure...”
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
What stopped the empire from smashing tie fighters at lightspeed at the ‘out of reach’ rebel ship?
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
Ackbar death is the most emotional moment in the movie
― calstars, Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
Idk i think watching the Resistance on the verge of collapse was an interesting angle. The other films show them teetering - this one shows them tied on a string.
Its steered the franchise away from repeating the arcs of the past
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Xpost
Yeah well, Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrive!
Also, again, if kamikazing is an option they can waste some money on suicide droids and hyperdrives. Cheaper than risking losing 40 or more in a dogfight.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
lol wut
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I thought Leia Poppins was the emotional peak.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
A Tie Fighter would hardly enact the damage that the Raddus did on a suicide run.
The onky reason the Resistance didn't do it earlier is cos its the last big ship they have
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
I gave Carrie F a lot of rope in this one. And she was excellent despite it. #gravitas while everyone is just acting like goofballs or confused
― calstars, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
Yea she was given more to do than in TFA
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
Whenever people get whiny at the straight through-lines in these blockbusters and their inability to feel something about another dead purple-haired space noble, it always feels to me like the old service industry stories everyone has in which a customer orders something they don’t actually want any of and then instead of just sending it back there’s a big to-do until the kitchen is reduced to serving a burnt beef patty on a plate with ketchup
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
Okay I have a favorite tumblr post about TLJ pic.twitter.com/aV0h9maHm0— not spoiler free sorry (@ldrinkh20) December 17, 2017
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
Finn’s main theme for both films so far is that he’s pretty terrible at everything. The Phasma fight and cannon run are the first times so far that he hasn’t lost his nerve or had his ass kicked.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
wait you can't get a laura dern action figure (yet?)
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
Here is a bunch of admiral holdo biographical detail that might help http://www.newsweek.com/who-admiral-holdo-laura-derns-purple-haired-last-jedi-character-has-thrilling-750016
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
I think there’s an extent that you’re being set up to dislike Holdo - I did like the impression that Leia had a policy of promoting women over flyboys.
Haha, yes, and if Admiral Laura Dern had just trusted in Poe to tell him her plan, Finn and Rose wouldn't have had to do any of the things they did. That's not QUITE Ebert's "idiot plotting," but it's close.
I really can’t imagine from watching the film that Poe would be “Yes that sounds like a sedate lady plan, I am totally down with it”
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link
this is sweet, wish I'd gotten more of this vibe from the actual movie
Rian Johnson on Kelly Marie Tran:#TheLastJedi pic.twitter.com/GxhWrjvLNx— Sean Stangland (@SeanStanglandDH) December 15, 2017
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 December 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
Every story about KMT’s experience being part of this is ridiculously great. We should all be her
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
Saw it this mirning at an ungodlh hour. Loved it. Cried a LOT. Force Awakens affected me more deeply, but I enjoyed this one a ton. Loved that there was so much Leia in this, in a good pivotal way & not just a figurehead. and lots of Poe too! Laura Dern, galactic badass yay. brb Working on a fanfic that Poe is Leia’s sidepiece. They had some nice chemistry! Also Leia gave a nice wistful smile as she watched him walking away later, Leia otm basically. Luke and Rey’s story was great, and I loved the buildup between Rey and Kylo, it was really intense & well acted I thought.Loved all the red!! Snoke’s lair was amazing. seeing the Imperial Guards in action was thrilling. And the salt flats visually was so stunning, omg that was so good. One minor dud note was Leia’s whole flying through space moment... I was in full cry and then almost started laughing like wtf is this shit Rose was a great character, but that leads to my other small gripe: oh my GOD her and Finn were so useless on Planet Vegas. Find the Master Codebreaker. Get arrested. Escape and go back to find the codebreaker? No. fuck around freeing stupid bloody lamb-spacehorse-cow things instead. If BB8 hadnt shown up it would have been a wasted mission! Also yes I am cheesed at them mainly bc they blew the chance for me to see more Justin Theroux!!! looool I need a spinoff asap he looked like Mandrake the Magician: http://www.biglittlebooks.com/graphic-sounds/mandrake_cvr.jpg
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 December 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
Mr Veg and I speculated about Luke spending time on his wardrobe & hair choices before his Jedi projectionmanbun? hmm nopeooh how about a crewcut? ugh. perhaps just a mustache? whoa. no. goatee? yikes.silk robe? ooh gold! yeesh. too wizardy.oooh lol what about zardoz... MY EYES NOOO
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
Jedis don’t wear hats
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
I just realized that’s a rule
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link
Scene from SW IX, calling it, Rey’s reading the books, gapes, says to Finn, “did you know why no Jedi wears a hat?!?”
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
Anyway more KMThttps://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/the-last-jedis-new-hope-meet-star-wars-breakout-kelly-marie-tran-w513599
also my other stray thoughtrebel bombers are stupid, ridiculously inefficient deathtraps. why would you drop like a thousand bombs all in one place. stupid
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:17 (six years ago) link
ppl gonna complain about "chrome dome" in the franchise that gave us "move it, goldenrod," "come on, red" and "laugh it up fuzzball" jfc
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link
Jedi hat: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/ba/Luminarafull.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20080325183610
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link
for shame tombot
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
in yr face tombot
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
trigger warning for buzzfeed content but v charming nonethelesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOhB5JyEkOQ
― dipso inferno (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
I weirdly didn't like this and I don't know why!
I felt, I guess, that the whole "rebels? empire? either way they're belligerents" thesis was really interesting and was hoping, really, for Rey and Kylo Ren to band together to create a more workable system of governance
But I guess it's Star WARS not Star PEACETIME
But strangely, that whole "good vs. evil" dichotomy being questioned kind of had a "midichlorians"-like effect on me. Like... wow! now I don't care. I thought this was an epic good vs. evil thing.
The devastation of the Rebel fleet was good and felt
Far too many deus ex machina in there, from the space battles to the Luke standoff
In general I feel like Star Wars is a very long meal and I'm eating leftovers at this point
This was my least favourite of the worthwhile Star Wars movies (5>4>R1>7>6>8)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
Re upthread links, it's kind of fascinating how Vanity Fair has become the highbrow Star Wars fanzine.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
It occurred to me this morning that this and Thor: Ragnarok end basically the same way, with the survivors of an overwhelming catastrophe escaping on a single spaceship.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Sunday, 17 December 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
...also, hiding out in the mountains...
― Jill, Sunday, 17 December 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
fgti I think your complaints connect with mine upthread re the "false stabs at moral ambiguity" stuff
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 December 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
Ya Simon H I agree totally
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 17 December 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
I think I get it now that I’ve read both your posts and you tied them together. See, intellectually I’m down with moral ambiguity, I recognize it, it’s important to think about, it’s hard. But it also doesn’t really exist because lol morality ha ha social constructs etc. I went to school! BTW another thing we learned is that the Force is mostly bollocks, only really useful as a last ditch resort in certain-death situations.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
Young Roger Wilco used it janitorially in the final scene too
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 18 December 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link
one of my favorite tweeters is a big fan of this movie and her comments make me wish I liked it more (it's a thread)
can’t wait till we get to the point of society where i try and watch cinderella online and the disney police jump straight out of my computer screen to arrest me— [to the tune of star wars] (@See_Em_Play) December 17, 2017
― Simon H., Monday, 18 December 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
xp and for long distance phone calls but that’s not the point I was making
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 01:45 (six years ago) link
Simon that’s an awesome thread thanks!
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 01:51 (six years ago) link
if the next movie doesn't start with poe being court-martialed and executed for his two acts of massively destructive insubordination then i'm out
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 18 December 2017 02:04 (six years ago) link
nobody’s commented on Finn’s leaking waterbed stillsuit!
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 02:09 (six years ago) link
i’m always here for Drew Magary’s take on, well, anything so his TLJ nitpick is def worth the read. (I mean, I don’t agree, but who cares) https://www.gq.com/story/lets-lovingly-nitpick-star-wars-the-last-jedi-to-death
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 December 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
That’s a great twitter thred
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 18 December 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
A good tangent to Magary’s take is Chaw who apparently subtracted a star for loving Rian Johnson too much: http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi.htmlI love all these takes btw
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 02:51 (six years ago) link
ooh that’s a good one
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 December 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link