Star Wars 8 shit talk

gimme time

some of u saw this 3x i bet

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 18, 2017 4:59 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fuck off

happened to catch RoTJ on tv tonight, and realized something

ppl are annoyed @ Leia using the Force “all of a sudden” in her space death scene but she didn’t even find out she had the Force until ROTJ - Luke says she’ll learn to use it in time. So she really hasn’t had that many chances to use it anyway!

tbh my lols & wtf @ that scene was mainly how weird & unnatural she looked flying across the screen like a mannequin on a wire

Leia floating through space and Rey in the mirrors were the two moments that felt a tiny bit like Twin Peaks

Are 3D movies still a thing? Was this in 3D? Or is 3D more or less done?

it was shown in 3D yes

Seriously Josh I can afford to pay you back for those tickets

Leia floating through space and Rey in the mirrors were the two moments that felt a tiny bit like Twin Peaks

Amazing. Every word in Bruneau's post was wrong.

sidebar: (cf: Phil D batsignal)

anyone got a rec for a good Star Wars podcast that isn’t RebelForce Radio? i don’t like RFR

I would like to not start watching this at 1130PM bc the reviews I’ve liked are the opinions I want to have so idk

A good tangent to Magary’s take is Chaw who apparently subtracted a star for loving Rian Johnson too much: http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi.html

I love all these takes btw

Genuinely welling up here, goddamn.

I do love how the movie has such an expansive sense of what a Star Wars movie can be that it can embed a Disney live action movie (and one of their more socialist ones) in it. But I can understand how people mightn’t.

one of their more socialist ones

this meme must die

I’m not entirely certain you know what that word means.

A meme (/miːm/ MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture — often with the aim of conveying a particular phenomenon, theme, or meaning represented by the meme.[1] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.

the shit talk begins!

I want to assure everyone, it's going to be all right.

I know people worry that J J Abrams has a high bar to clear. But here's the opening crawl for the next one, and holy heck, amazing. pic.twitter.com/GTnVEVBU9g

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) December 18, 2017

porgwai

Porg Kar Wai

No I meant socialist.

So apparently the iron joke was a nod to Hardware Wars: http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-hardware-wars-rian-johnson/3/

yeah i loved that gag. and the chimney sweep kid at the end probably a nod to the og Star Wars Kid meme.

This is great:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
(dir. Rian Johnson) pic.twitter.com/mgw7fXm9Fn

— Simpsons Films (@simpsonsfilms) December 17, 2017

from that review:

It destroys the idea of destiny and the notion that this story is bound to the Skywalker family

This, exactly. I've never been a huge fan of the "prophecy" trope - this series is better off being free of it.

I've kind of said it to friends, but The Force Awakens wasn't the sequel I wanted, but one I learned to appreciate once I let my expectations melt away. The Last Jedi is the one I wanted.

You were right upthread about pissing off the nerdboys, at least the right KIND of nerdboys. I'm seeing tweets of the "Rian Johnson raped my childhood" ilk all over the place.

but showing a blank form and then saying "Not a Skywalker" is still centering the series on Skywalker. them fumbling Rey's parentage reveal had the opposite effect for me. if they were nobody space farmers then show them. the very fact that they won't show them because it isn't relevant to the Skywalker plot centers it on the Skywalkers. give me a new family to give a shit about.

except the whole point is that parentage doesn't matter

so then reveal a random person if it doesn't matter.

xpost Except when it does (as with Adam Driver).

No one has mentioned the obv chemistry Poe and Rey had upon meeting (?!?) at the end of the film. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a whole new bloodline of Force-sensitives. I'll catch that film on cable.

Occurs to me today that Kylo Ren is the only Dark Side apprentice to successfully pull off what all apprentices yearn to under the Sith 'Rule of Two' -- kill off the master and take over.

my main issue with some of the fanboy whining = the ones that are screaming "bad writing", like....

if anything, the original trilogy was trashy fun. The dialogue was cornball. the plotting was often arbitrary - there are a ton of plot holes and gaps in the OG series but nobody cared.

I think this film has some of the sharpest dialogue in the series, and that it's more of a character driven piece than a narrative piece. I could respect the argument that Johnson's style is too heavy for this universe, that it doesn't need to 'transcend' its simpler beginnings, but that isn't the complaint the nerdboys are making. They don't like the writing because big, significant events don't happen and we don't find out shocking mysteries about people's identities and prophecies aren't fulfilled etc.

feel like if these nerds want comfort food they should just play Battlefront for 20 hours a day.

It destroys the idea of destiny and the notion that this story is bound to the Skywalker family

this also feels like a necessary survival move for the series. they're killing off all the heroes of the original trilogy, it makes sense to expand the story beyond a single family as the generations grow further afield from those icons

lol CJV - I turned to my friend and said "they gon fuck"

indeed

voodoo chili otm. I was excited to have some of the old heroes return in the sequel series, but was disappointed that Han was so tightly woven into the story in TFA *and* that he had reverted back to his pre-ANH ways, which gave some legitimacy to the "TFA = ANH" crew (though I still think that argument is half-baked). His scenes were the ones that I lost interest in first on repeat viewings, other than his final meetup with Kylo.

I'm glad Leia got something other than her comfort food treatment in TFA, here as a beleaguered aging leader digging deep to find ways to motivate her crew. and Luke finding a way at redemption that *didn't* involve him coming back and just kicking ass was a nice touch.

Even Yoda's appearance in this film didn't feel like fan service, it was an important (even beautiful) moment.

holding for general hux

also being a fan of kung-fu/wuxia films, the scenes on Ahch-To are some of my favorites.

xpost lol loved that bit

my main problem is the new characters just don't have anything to them. they exist wholly as reactions to the old characters. two movies in and we know really nothing about Finn, Rey, Poe, beyond their status holding pre-established roles in Star Wars.

i do think they've been clever at selling the inverse tho. it likes to make a show about how it's tearing down the legend but ends with a little kid playing with action figures acting out the very legend we just pretended to kill. it is like an angry teenager who makes a big deal about how little he cares.

the thing I appreciated about this one, and to a lesser extent TFA, was the idea that this group of misfits who came together during wartime had a hard time adapting to life after war

Han's back to smuggling because he was never cut out for settling down, Leia can't function in a squabbling democracy and she's left to be a resistance general because no one else is paying attention to the dregs of the empire, and Luke is all weighed down by tradition and tries to be a wise leader but he's so worried he'll fuck up that he inevitably does

it works as a metaphor for people making Star Wars movies and stories who are so yoked to what's right and canonical that everything comes off as exercising of a formula. I'm with Yoda, fuck your jedi tree and old books. go out and do something.

the important stuff:

$220,047,000 plus $230 million foreign

adam, i felt the way you did after TFA, but I think TLJ succeeded in granting the new characters more dimensions--Poe is the self-interested hothead, Finn is a collection of nerves with a crippling sense of inadequacy, Rey is precocious and eager to learn, questioning, but not whiny like Luke.

And Kylo might be the most fully-realized character introduced in Star Wars since 1977

I was thinking about how it's not the first time Johnson's played with the idea of legendary figures versus actual people, that was definitely an underlying theme in Looper

Ben Solo's definitely a lot more nuanced than what we got the first time around

two movies in and we know really nothing about Finn, Rey, Poe, beyond their status holding pre-established roles in Star Wars.

nonsense. unless you literally want the filmmakers to explicitly state it for you, it's all there on the screen.

did they cgi kylo's torso? that shit was wiiiiide.

m 6-y-o was scared as hell every time kylo came on screen, even if he was doing nothing. that's what you want from a baddie. it's exactly how i reacted to vader when i was a kid.

Kylo's "Join me...please" with his voice breaking is one of the more heartbreaking moments of the film.

Adam Driver is a deceptively large dude

they're beyond stock characters now, but... most good fiction has stock characters

the greatest "fuck you" to George Lucas in this one had to be creating a shadowy, somewhat mysterious character like the Emperor who gets iced without any long exposition about his backstory

we don't need three movies about Snoke's rise to something or another and why his face is messed up, etc

Also if you want the characters to state it for you - Rey is experiencing the stirrings of the force, and it terrifies her in a way that doesn’t match anything we’ve seen in other force users, and she says that right out there in dialogue.