Leia floating through space and Rey in the mirrors were the two moments that felt a tiny bit like Twin Peaks
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 December 2017 05:17 (six years ago) link
Are 3D movies still a thing? Was this in 3D? Or is 3D more or less done?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 December 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
it was shown in 3D yes
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 December 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link
Seriously Josh I can afford to pay you back for those tickets
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 05:36 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link
Amazing. Every word in Bruneau's post was wrong.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 06:19 (six years ago) link
sidebar: (cf: Phil D batsignal) anyone got a rec for a good Star Wars podcast that isn’t RebelForce Radio? i don’t like RFR
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 December 2017 06:30 (six years ago) link
I would like to not start watching this at 1130PM bc the reviews I’ve liked are the opinions I want to have so idk
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 18 December 2017 06:32 (six years ago) link
A good tangent to Magary’s take is Chaw who apparently subtracted a star for loving Rian Johnson too much: http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi.html
I love all these takes btw
Genuinely welling up here, goddamn.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 December 2017 10:35 (six years ago) link
I do love how the movie has such an expansive sense of what a Star Wars movie can be that it can embed a Disney live action movie (and one of their more socialist ones) in it. But I can understand how people mightn’t.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 December 2017 10:42 (six years ago) link
one of their more socialist ones
this meme must die
― Simon H., Monday, 18 December 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
I’m not entirely certain you know what that word means.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 December 2017 13:01 (six years ago) link
A meme (/miːm/ MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture — often with the aim of conveying a particular phenomenon, theme, or meaning represented by the meme.[1] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme.
― Simon H., Monday, 18 December 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
the shit talk begins!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 December 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
I want to assure everyone, it's going to be all right.
I know people worry that J J Abrams has a high bar to clear. But here's the opening crawl for the next one, and holy heck, amazing. pic.twitter.com/GTnVEVBU9g— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) December 18, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 December 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
porgwai
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 18 December 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
Porg Kar Wai
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 December 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
No I meant socialist.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 December 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
So apparently the iron joke was a nod to Hardware Wars: http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-hardware-wars-rian-johnson/3/
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
yeah i loved that gag. and the chimney sweep kid at the end probably a nod to the og Star Wars Kid meme.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 December 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
This is great:
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)(dir. Rian Johnson) pic.twitter.com/mgw7fXm9Fn— Simpsons Films (@simpsonsfilms) December 17, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
from that review:
It destroys the idea of destiny and the notion that this story is bound to the Skywalker family
This, exactly. I've never been a huge fan of the "prophecy" trope - this series is better off being free of it.
I've kind of said it to friends, but The Force Awakens wasn't the sequel I wanted, but one I learned to appreciate once I let my expectations melt away. The Last Jedi is the one I wanted.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
You were right upthread about pissing off the nerdboys, at least the right KIND of nerdboys. I'm seeing tweets of the "Rian Johnson raped my childhood" ilk all over the place.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
but showing a blank form and then saying "Not a Skywalker" is still centering the series on Skywalker. them fumbling Rey's parentage reveal had the opposite effect for me. if they were nobody space farmers then show them. the very fact that they won't show them because it isn't relevant to the Skywalker plot centers it on the Skywalkers. give me a new family to give a shit about.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
except the whole point is that parentage doesn't matter
― Simon H., Monday, 18 December 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
so then reveal a random person if it doesn't matter.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
xpost Except when it does (as with Adam Driver).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
No one has mentioned the obv chemistry Poe and Rey had upon meeting (?!?) at the end of the film. Wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of a whole new bloodline of Force-sensitives. I'll catch that film on cable.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
Occurs to me today that Kylo Ren is the only Dark Side apprentice to successfully pull off what all apprentices yearn to under the Sith 'Rule of Two' -- kill off the master and take over.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
my main issue with some of the fanboy whining = the ones that are screaming "bad writing", like....
if anything, the original trilogy was trashy fun. The dialogue was cornball. the plotting was often arbitrary - there are a ton of plot holes and gaps in the OG series but nobody cared.
I think this film has some of the sharpest dialogue in the series, and that it's more of a character driven piece than a narrative piece. I could respect the argument that Johnson's style is too heavy for this universe, that it doesn't need to 'transcend' its simpler beginnings, but that isn't the complaint the nerdboys are making. They don't like the writing because big, significant events don't happen and we don't find out shocking mysteries about people's identities and prophecies aren't fulfilled etc.
feel like if these nerds want comfort food they should just play Battlefront for 20 hours a day.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
this also feels like a necessary survival move for the series. they're killing off all the heroes of the original trilogy, it makes sense to expand the story beyond a single family as the generations grow further afield from those icons
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
lol CJV - I turned to my friend and said "they gon fuck"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
indeed
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
voodoo chili otm. I was excited to have some of the old heroes return in the sequel series, but was disappointed that Han was so tightly woven into the story in TFA *and* that he had reverted back to his pre-ANH ways, which gave some legitimacy to the "TFA = ANH" crew (though I still think that argument is half-baked). His scenes were the ones that I lost interest in first on repeat viewings, other than his final meetup with Kylo.
I'm glad Leia got something other than her comfort food treatment in TFA, here as a beleaguered aging leader digging deep to find ways to motivate her crew. and Luke finding a way at redemption that *didn't* involve him coming back and just kicking ass was a nice touch.
Even Yoda's appearance in this film didn't feel like fan service, it was an important (even beautiful) moment.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
holding for general hux
― mh, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link
also being a fan of kung-fu/wuxia films, the scenes on Ahch-To are some of my favorites.
xpost lol loved that bit
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
my main problem is the new characters just don't have anything to them. they exist wholly as reactions to the old characters. two movies in and we know really nothing about Finn, Rey, Poe, beyond their status holding pre-established roles in Star Wars.
i do think they've been clever at selling the inverse tho. it likes to make a show about how it's tearing down the legend but ends with a little kid playing with action figures acting out the very legend we just pretended to kill. it is like an angry teenager who makes a big deal about how little he cares.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
the thing I appreciated about this one, and to a lesser extent TFA, was the idea that this group of misfits who came together during wartime had a hard time adapting to life after war
Han's back to smuggling because he was never cut out for settling down, Leia can't function in a squabbling democracy and she's left to be a resistance general because no one else is paying attention to the dregs of the empire, and Luke is all weighed down by tradition and tries to be a wise leader but he's so worried he'll fuck up that he inevitably does
it works as a metaphor for people making Star Wars movies and stories who are so yoked to what's right and canonical that everything comes off as exercising of a formula. I'm with Yoda, fuck your jedi tree and old books. go out and do something.
― mh, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
the important stuff:
$220,047,000 plus $230 million foreign
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
adam, i felt the way you did after TFA, but I think TLJ succeeded in granting the new characters more dimensions--Poe is the self-interested hothead, Finn is a collection of nerves with a crippling sense of inadequacy, Rey is precocious and eager to learn, questioning, but not whiny like Luke.
And Kylo might be the most fully-realized character introduced in Star Wars since 1977
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
I was thinking about how it's not the first time Johnson's played with the idea of legendary figures versus actual people, that was definitely an underlying theme in Looper
Ben Solo's definitely a lot more nuanced than what we got the first time around
― mh, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
two movies in and we know really nothing about Finn, Rey, Poe, beyond their status holding pre-established roles in Star Wars.
nonsense. unless you literally want the filmmakers to explicitly state it for you, it's all there on the screen.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
did they cgi kylo's torso? that shit was wiiiiide.
m 6-y-o was scared as hell every time kylo came on screen, even if he was doing nothing. that's what you want from a baddie. it's exactly how i reacted to vader when i was a kid.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
Kylo's "Join me...please" with his voice breaking is one of the more heartbreaking moments of the film.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
Adam Driver is a deceptively large dude
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
they're beyond stock characters now, but... most good fiction has stock characters
the greatest "fuck you" to George Lucas in this one had to be creating a shadowy, somewhat mysterious character like the Emperor who gets iced without any long exposition about his backstory
we don't need three movies about Snoke's rise to something or another and why his face is messed up, etc
― mh, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
Also if you want the characters to state it for you - Rey is experiencing the stirrings of the force, and it terrifies her in a way that doesn’t match anything we’ve seen in other force users, and she says that right out there in dialogue.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
xp Adam Driver was a marine! The fact he can seem lanky really is a testament to his use of body language and stance
― mh, Monday, 18 December 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
I didn't get people who complained that Kylo killed Snoke but then didn't turn. if he turned, the First Order woulda basically been vanquished and then Ep IX would be "Star Wars: Cocktails on Canto Blight at Noon"
xxxpost mh on the money multiple times
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
did they CGI Driver to look younger in the flashback scene?
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link