Star Wars 8 shit talk

they didn’t flesh it out well, but the implication was that the republic exists again, has a stable government, but they’re once again ineffective and ignoring the remnants of the empire, who are hiding out in the middle of nowhere — they don’t even have a real base, just a giant weapon planet and a huge-ass snoke ship

the resistance is meant to be the faction that’s working outside the authorization of the government because they believe you need a military to fight an actual growing threat. you have the same plot thread as Rogue One where the politicians don’t want to act so a handful of people go rogue to spurn them into action

Leila’s there because she was always a better General than politician

I don’t think the Resistance was ever meant to be very big — they’re the people who think the Republic needs a military, and the Republic thinks a galaxy-wide army leads to corruption and a consolidation of power

again, could have been better spelled out

they "just" have an entire planet that they've converted into a superweapon, and dozens of capital ships, and supposedly agents or sympathizers on every planet everywhere, such that no one has any chance of outrunning or escaping them. i get that finn, raised as a stormtrooper, may not be objectively evaluating the odds but no one seems to contradict his evaluation of the first order as an inescapable panoptic sovereign. i think the occam's razor answer is that it was not well-thought-out, with the brainstorm session stopping at "they're like the new empire!"

lol, otm

https://m.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2015/1007/Where-did-ISIS-get-all-those-Toyotas-US-Treasury-investigates

on a different note, I thought it was a nice touch that the main slow-motion chase, of the Resistance ships staying just out of range as they buy time, borrowed well from the new era Battlestar Galactica after the original series borrowed from Star Wars

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Flying-the-deadly-skies-Whistle-blower-thinks-2532016.php

"Since 9/11, I learned to have less contempt for the terrorists than I do for the bureaucrats and politicians who could have prevented 9/11 but didn't," he told me. "They served in very pivotal positions of influence but due to gross incompetence or the fear of actually fulfilling their oaths of office to defend this country or possibly even something a bit more sinister, they failed to take any action. After 9/11, they all scurried into their little rat holes and waited for the firestorm to burn itself out. Then they crawled out and suddenly they are experts in aviation security.
"Many of the FAA bureaucrats that actively thwarted improvements in security prior to 9/11 have been promoted by FAA or the Transportation Security Administration. I have never in my life been around more gutless, inept and outright ignorant people than I have at TSA headquarters, most of whom are in management. You combine this atmosphere with absolutely no accountability and it is a very dangerous formula for a repeat of 9/11.
"There are so many obvious holes in the system that are not being closed, it is very scary. And what's worse is that they are not being closed for the exact same reasons that they weren't closed leading up to 9/11. It's the perpetuation of the good old boys' club. Rarely do you see a bureaucrat or politician that actively encourages subordinates to give them bad news. Instead, they prefer to be surrounded by people who constantly present a rosy picture. So the only people that get promoted up the chain are the ones who play the game and don't ruffle any feathers."

^^^ this, far and away

Better vetting was clearly needed - light speed travel ban

Here’s a word I learned today that also helps explain how the Empire / FO works

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassocracy

thalassocracies often used indigenous mercenaries for land wars, rather than citizens. 🤔

One of my favorite moments from Rogue One was the rebels getting the news that Rogue One had engaged Imperial forces. The reaction is, "Gather the council, get Admiral Raddus" -- this following the earlier scene where the council voted not to pursue the Death Star plans. It's followed by "Admiral Raddus left and jumped out five minutes ago."

The flagship of the Resistance? The Raddus.

Well yeah

And it too eats shit against impossible odds for a greater cause

I honestly can't remember, but the bad guys in Star Wars, what is the aim of their galactic domination? Resources? Ethnic cleansing? No one in these movies seems to be struggling for food or anything, as far as I can remember. Obviously the Empire is worth fighting against, because they blow up planets and things like that, but the only reason they blow up planets is in pursuit of ... a goal I don't know. Like, what would a Galaxy controlled by the Empire look like? How would it be any different?

The OG trilogy was merely a morality play so the Empire's motives were mostly "doing the opposite of what the good guys do".

First Order seems to be more of a traditional fascist regime

ONE HALF PORTION

The blowing up of planets = no different than why countries have nuclear stockpiles

The weirdest argument floating = this Luke makes no sense, a Jedi doesn't give up and go into exile for years.

Oh except for the time they literally did this for 30 years after Ep 3 you mean?

Due to his Sith philosophy, Sidious was unwilling to let anyone else inherit the Galactic Empire in the event of his death. Using a game of Shah-tezh as an illustration, Palpatine believed that the Empire's sole purpose for existence was to protect his own life and well-being. He believed that the Empire was a failure if it failed to live up to this purpose.

We never see how bad life on an Empire planet is because the Rebels stay away from those planets. But I've always imagined it to be a fairly common police state.

So he was Trump before Trump

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The Rebels tv show explored it a little. How yknow yea you could go about your business most days but you'd have to participate in fascist holidays like "Empire Day"

just had my boy over for the afternoon who was telling me all the bad and ridiculous things about this movie while we laughed. he says he thinks he's done with the series now.

Did he go “Max Landis is my master now!”

know we said bad things about him too

no, even

http://i.imgur.com/bEj6gom.gifv

that is, https://imgur.com/bEj6gom

I have a theory that movies are deliberately having memebait implanted as part of the marketing strategy

vice versus imo, pop movies are strewn with moments that lend well to encapsulation

I was thinking of that the other day when the brewpub/movie complex had a beer named Cool Hand Luke, now that was a meme-able film

Local place here back in the day had a cucumber sandwich called Cool Hand Cuke

Counting the minutes until we get the shoulder dust-off Luke as a meme

Or should I say, Cool Hand Luke

Did a little cool hand puke just now

Took my 8 year old daughter to see this today and we were both BORED OUT OF OUR MINDZ. Too long. Not fun or funny. The bits that tried to be funny made it worse.

Strange that you caught a showing of _Justice League_.

irl lols

Saw this on Friday night and it's taken me a few days to even begin to process my feelings about it. Current thoughts are - I want to see it again, and thank mercy that Luke had a bottle with him.

I'm reading those Vader comics now and they're really fun. The plot choices are pretty smart, and there's some interesting stuff about the role of droids in SW society. Also I can't believe how cheap digital comic collections are, compared to the paper versions. Marvel must really be trying to make that happen.

gillen’s vader comics are maybe the best star wars-related thing since... the tie fighter videogame maybe?

so good

I read the first two collections and Vader Down crossover. On to 3 and 4 now...good sugg!

We went to see this a second time last night, to watch with less of a "Woo-hoo, new SW movie" eye and more "OK, let's really pay attention to this thing" eye, and liked it even more.

Driving home, I said to my wife "One new thing I noticed, the little viewport thing in Snoke's chamber reminded me a bit of the Wicked Witch of the West's crystal ball" and she was apparently thinking exactly the same thing.

i absolutely loved how snoke's red scrim disintegrated during the fight, slowly at first, then just in flaming rags revealing the inevitable industrial struts that supported it

I also noticed that when Finn puts the box over BB-8 to disguise him, BB-8 starts making mouse droid noises as they walk down the halls.

I like how he’s shown rolling into the wall and knocking a panel loose and they just wander past

best part was the spit roasted porg still having its two feet sticking out

I was at a party last night and talked to someone who cited the milking scene as proof that, while they thought TFA was too familiar, this movie had gone wayyyyy too far into crazytown, barely recognizable as a Star Wars movie, etc. My mouth said "oh well yeah but wasn't it kinda cool to see something besides wookies and imperial walkers and wasn't the whole plot basically Empire Strikes Back" but my mind was saying "wtf is wrong with you."

What stopped the empire from smashing tie fighters at lightspeed at the ‘out of reach’ rebel ship?

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, December 17, 2017 1:28 PM (one week ago) Bookmark

TIE fighters don't have hyperdrives, duh. any star wars fan on the street knows that

thoughts from an ex TIE Fighter (Collector's CD-ROM) space jockey:

-the resistance bombers were pretty stupid. i get that they're a reference to the TIE bombers bombing the asteroids in empire. but needing to drop the bombs with a remote control was a stupid plot device to set up KMT's sister's heroic sacrifice/death

-disappointed that all that was needed to blow out the bridge was a couple of proton torpedos, and the shields were still up! lowers the stakes for arvel crynyd's suicide run in ROTJ

xxpost lol I'm with you, that is the weirdest logic. the prequels got away from the lived-in depiction of home worlds, with odd-looking native creatures, weird foods, and unusual local rituals, and one of the nice things about the sequels is that they've brought those moments back.

the prequels, when they even bothered to try it, had cringeworthy moments like the diner cook with the Brooklynite mannerisms.

barely recognizable as a Star Wars movie = if there'd been a scene where Rey draws Kylo naked or something

nobody’s commented on Finn’s leaking waterbed stillsuit!

― El Tomboto, Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:09 PM (one week ago) Bookmark

resistance doesn't have the credits to afford full bacta tanks huh

xpost I thought about that with the bridge too. I never feel like I'm strong on what shields will deflect and what will weaken them/etc so I usually just go with it, but I did think about that moment.