Star Wars 8 shit talk

great posts by doc casino on this subject even if i don’t necessarily agree

Snoke was Ezra Bridger from the Rebels cartoon. Surprising, but that's how it shook out.

andy serkis should be banned from movies. just my opinion

thanks brad. i mean in the end what they did is fine but only because TLJ came up with a nice scene for snoke to get offed in, where the character matters in terms of choices made by other more important characters. that basically just makes him into a new Count Dooku which isn't so hot but before that he was a new General Grievous so hey.

i also think it would have been fine/better to not have him at all, since the kylo/hux dynamic is already enough to generate an interesting bad-guy team dynamic. vader/tarkin but as seething unhinged man-children wannabes, one consumed by father-killing hatreds and the other by father-redeeming fascist fantasies of imposing order, with no sense that either is taking orders from someone else. plenty of great tensions there waiting to crack open - you don't really need snoke. and it would have been another, too-rare way in which TFA wasn't just a retread of the old film. oh well.

they should have just given this to rian johnson from the beginning

The Poe/Hux thing at the beginning was funny but humor wise it reminded me more of Trebek getting annoyed by Connery on SNL Jeopardy than it did anything I'd expect from Star Wars.

Thought the Laura Dern battle cruiser scene was one of the top five illest things I've seen in the entire series. I liked her character a lot.

I liked this a bit more than TFA and RO.

ESB >>> SW >>>> TLJ > TFA/ROTJ >>> RO:ASWS >>>>>>>>> TPM >>> ROTS > AOTC

also think it would have been fine/better to not have him at all, since the kylo/hux dynamic is already enough to generate an interesting bad-guy team dynamic. vader/tarkin but as seething unhinged man-children wannabes,

otm -- I wrote as much in my review yesterday. You can apply a Marxist reading: Hux and Kylo Ren as imitating the gestures of their antecedents but the gestures emerge as parody or farce.

also think it would have been fine/better to not have him at all, since the kylo/hux dynamic is already enough to generate an interesting bad-guy team dynamic. vader/tarkin but as seething unhinged man-children wannabes,

otm -- I wrote as much in my review yesterday. You can apply a Marxist reading: Hux and Kylo Ren as imitating the gestures of their antecedents but the gestures emerge as parody or farce.

oops double post

I agree that Serkis should just stop. He's been hugely disrespectful of the vfx people who literally created the niche he has been somehow monopolizing. That's been pissing a lot of people off for a while now, so I gotta wonder if that somehow bit him in the ass and he was written out partly out of spite.

I was really thrown by Snoke just casually taking credit for enabling Force FaceTime between Ben and Rey. He can do that but also has no idea where she or Luke actually are - does that even make sense?

think it was somewhat ambiguous as to whether he was telling the truth there?

I don't think bridging their minds requires knowledge of location. Also Luke has 'hidden' from the Force.

Also at this point the Force basically seems to be arbitrary in what it can do. I gave up on the rules by RotJ lol

Yeah the force is just starry potter now tbh

as opposed to... when exactly?

midichloryphyll

The real reason yoda is so greeb

Greeno shot forced

you use the force as the Jedi you’re shining a flashlight at the very least. you block yourself from it, you’re a dark corner in the whole galaxy

whole lot of dark corners out there

the gag is partly that this is a kind of gag that's out of place in this world, and i find that to be a pretty cheap way to get a laugh.

Oh, I didn't think that at all - it seems odd that there'd be space chariot races and space coliseums and space samurai and space holograms, but space telephone operators are somehow just for a laugh? I mean, that's basically the job of the Uhura that put him through ("communication from the rebel ship" or similar).

also, not saying these should or could be "timeless" but i feel like this current style dates the movie instantly

It's basically a Abbott & Costello (or Scooby Doo!) level gag though? If it's jarring, it's not because it's too hip to the current sense of humour.

Also in 30-40 years it won't date at all, because kids will file all those non-VR movies like B&W films are currently, and they won't know we didn't have telephone operators in 2017 :)

any gag based on tech not working right is guaranteed to be timeless even if the tech involved is obsolete

rebels tricking imperials thru calls is woven into the original - not just han buying time on the death star but also tricking their way into the shield generator on endor

the biggest problem is that oscar isaacs is no han solo

Poe Dameron is no Han Solo he's an unethusiastic avatar for flyboys and our director hates him

If anything he should turn in the next movie

Biggest flaw in this is that there is still no reason whatsoever for emo dark side boy

he listened to the cure too much

just seen this ten days later than planned due to illness, do i really have to read this whole thread now? sadface.

best bit: steam irons, ship ramming at light speed. i did mostly enjoy rey & luke & kylo being all emo together on the island, though daisy ridley's acting was bad not good.

worst bit, 2 hours and 9 or 12 or 28 acts in and realising there's still a shitload to go. feel like they could have cut one of the umpteen rebel last stands and shaved half an hour off.

weirdest bit, was luke's head just, like, really big? the whole way through?

just seen this ten days later than planned due to illness, do i really have to read this whole thread now?

xp (cf my realisation that Luke looks like Peter Dinklage)

ha my wife said the same thing about luke’s dinklesemblance

Wrinkleage

oh, dinklepaws

Never seen a film with such wildly varying opinions as to what was good and what was bad in it. Fitting.

what a world we live in

luke looks like a lot of people but mostly zizek

i was thinking more Orson Welles

F Is For Force

Interesting thread:

One of the sneakiest awesome things #TheLastJedi did was actually make the midichlorians bullshit pay off.

PUT DOWN THOSE LASER PITCHFORKS AND HEAR ME OUT

— Amelia Rogue (@AmeliaRoseWrite) December 28, 2017

blood greebles <3

I also found this p convincing along similar lines: https://www.tor.com/2017/12/20/thanks-to-the-last-jedi-we-finally-know-what-the-force-awakens-means/

yeah both of those really good - thx!

While many Jedi have a better understanding of the Force, no one has the raw talent of Anakin Skywalker. And that unbridled strength is what seals the fate of the Jedi Order in the long run; when Anakin goes over to Palpatine’s side, the two become unstoppable.

Anyway the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from --- trying to fuse them together into a grand Skywalker theory of the series is a move in the wrong direction imo.

omw to my second viewing btw. i cracked and wanna see the red room again :-o

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theories that rely on expanded-universe shit (really anything that's not in the movies) tire me the hell out

I honestly tend to call bullshit on it. To me if it's not in the movie it doesn't exist, i shouldn't have to do homework.

That's why the Batman v Supes fans annoyed me "oh well u'd get it if u'd read xxx comic". I mean an easter egg is one thing...actually forcing you to be aware of dis ting to get what's going on is an9ther

otm

the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from

I agree its best gotten away from and what I appreciate about this contrivance of the force giving rise to Kylo's opposite is that it allows for that move away from bloodline heroism without altogether jettisoning the obnoxious plot elements of the preqs--it ties them together with a bow, which I find enormously satisfying