I don't think bridging their minds requires knowledge of location. Also Luke has 'hidden' from the Force.
Also at this point the Force basically seems to be arbitrary in what it can do. I gave up on the rules by RotJ lol
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 December 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
Yeah the force is just starry potter now tbh
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
as opposed to... when exactly?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
midichloryphyll
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 03:06 (six years ago) link
The real reason yoda is so greeb
Greeno shot forced
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 03:07 (six years ago) link
you use the force as the Jedi you’re shining a flashlight at the very least. you block yourself from it, you’re a dark corner in the whole galaxy
whole lot of dark corners out there
― mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
the gag is partly that this is a kind of gag that's out of place in this world, and i find that to be a pretty cheap way to get a laugh.
Oh, I didn't think that at all - it seems odd that there'd be space chariot races and space coliseums and space samurai and space holograms, but space telephone operators are somehow just for a laugh? I mean, that's basically the job of the Uhura that put him through ("communication from the rebel ship" or similar).
also, not saying these should or could be "timeless" but i feel like this current style dates the movie instantly
It's basically a Abbott & Costello (or Scooby Doo!) level gag though? If it's jarring, it's not because it's too hip to the current sense of humour.
Also in 30-40 years it won't date at all, because kids will file all those non-VR movies like B&W films are currently, and they won't know we didn't have telephone operators in 2017 :)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 December 2017 09:44 (six years ago) link
any gag based on tech not working right is guaranteed to be timeless even if the tech involved is obsolete
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 December 2017 10:06 (six years ago) link
rebels tricking imperials thru calls is woven into the original - not just han buying time on the death star but also tricking their way into the shield generator on endor
― 龜, Friday, 29 December 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
the biggest problem is that oscar isaacs is no han solo
― 龜, Friday, 29 December 2017 11:47 (six years ago) link
Poe Dameron is no Han Solo he's an unethusiastic avatar for flyboys and our director hates him
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 12:14 (six years ago) link
If anything he should turn in the next movie
Biggest flaw in this is that there is still no reason whatsoever for emo dark side boy
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 12:15 (six years ago) link
he listened to the cure too much
― 龜, Friday, 29 December 2017 12:22 (six years ago) link
just seen this ten days later than planned due to illness, do i really have to read this whole thread now? sadface.best bit: steam irons, ship ramming at light speed. i did mostly enjoy rey & luke & kylo being all emo together on the island, though daisy ridley's acting was bad not good.worst bit, 2 hours and 9 or 12 or 28 acts in and realising there's still a shitload to go. feel like they could have cut one of the umpteen rebel last stands and shaved half an hour off.weirdest bit, was luke's head just, like, really big? the whole way through?
― Here comes the phantom menace (ledge), Friday, 29 December 2017 12:40 (six years ago) link
just seen this ten days later than planned due to illness, do i really have to read this whole thread now?
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 December 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
xp (cf my realisation that Luke looks like Peter Dinklage)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 December 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
ha my wife said the same thing about luke’s dinklesemblance
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 December 2017 13:11 (six years ago) link
Wrinkleage
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link
oh, dinklepaws
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 December 2017 13:37 (six years ago) link
Never seen a film with such wildly varying opinions as to what was good and what was bad in it. Fitting.
― nashwan, Friday, 29 December 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
what a world we live in
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 December 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
luke looks like a lot of people but mostly zizek
― Simon H., Friday, 29 December 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
i was thinking more Orson Welles
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 December 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
F Is For Force
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
Interesting thread:
One of the sneakiest awesome things #TheLastJedi did was actually make the midichlorians bullshit pay off.PUT DOWN THOSE LASER PITCHFORKS AND HEAR ME OUT— Amelia Rogue (@AmeliaRoseWrite) December 28, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
blood greebles <3
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
I also found this p convincing along similar lines: https://www.tor.com/2017/12/20/thanks-to-the-last-jedi-we-finally-know-what-the-force-awakens-means/
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
yeah both of those really good - thx!
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
While many Jedi have a better understanding of the Force, no one has the raw talent of Anakin Skywalker. And that unbridled strength is what seals the fate of the Jedi Order in the long run; when Anakin goes over to Palpatine’s side, the two become unstoppable.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Anyway the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from --- trying to fuse them together into a grand Skywalker theory of the series is a move in the wrong direction imo.omw to my second viewing btw. i cracked and wanna see the red room again :-o
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
https://frinkiac.com/gif/S09E09/1113361/1117532.gif?b64lines=UkVEIFJPT00uIFJFRCBST09NLgpPdmVyIHRoZXJlLg==
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 December 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
theories that rely on expanded-universe shit (really anything that's not in the movies) tire me the hell out
― Simon H., Friday, 29 December 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
I honestly tend to call bullshit on it. To me if it's not in the movie it doesn't exist, i shouldn't have to do homework.
That's why the Batman v Supes fans annoyed me "oh well u'd get it if u'd read xxx comic". I mean an easter egg is one thing...actually forcing you to be aware of dis ting to get what's going on is an9ther
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 29 December 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
otm
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 29 December 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from
I agree its best gotten away from and what I appreciate about this contrivance of the force giving rise to Kylo's opposite is that it allows for that move away from bloodline heroism without altogether jettisoning the obnoxious plot elements of the preqs--it ties them together with a bow, which I find enormously satisfying
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
luke chucking light saber would have been more satisfying with slide whistle (and caretaker getting bonked in the head with it)
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 29 December 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
second viewing: still messy and still overlong but knowing everything that was going to happen i was able to relax into it, enjoy the spectacular visuals and the emotional payoffs. was definitely weepier this time and i think it survives the second pass more than TFA did. good movie.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
afaic there's Star Wars, Empire, The Ewok One, TFA I guess, Rogue One, and this. Anything else is fanfic.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 29 December 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
So it's a Disney movie about murdering your mom. Nice. Also, it was so fucking boring!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 29 December 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
lol roger you just named all the star wars movies asides from the prequels. not that i disagree w you
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 December 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
Also, it was so fucking boring!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, December 29, 2017 10:30 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
There were enough space battles lightsaber battles and chase sequences for a feature length no-dialogue edit what r u after here
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
yeah and they were all tedious as fuck
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 29 December 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
ugh what a tedious view of the most beautifully shot sequences ever in this series
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 December 2017 23:13 (six years ago) link
I honestly don't understand why anyone who liked ANY of the previous Star Wars movies would dislike this one.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 29 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
second viewing did make me much more conscious of the editing/bagginess of it and i stand by my belief that this film could shed fifteen minutes or more and be massively improved. there's a lot of redundancy. two different "chewie and porg are at the wheel" gags for example, when the first one nails it. the chase through the casino/streets does one too many "cut to another quiet locale just before they come charging in smashing stuff" bits, and the business with them trying to reach their shuttle (but it gets blown up!) is unnecessary - they could just be caught up in the herd and end up in the bluffs and the sequence would work the same way. cut four of the fourteen bb-8 gags and you've saved several minutes right there. the capture/execution scene with rose and finn and phasma seems to take ten minutes - they keep cutting away from it to the other stories (maybe to cover a confusing continuity issue where hux is suddenly there, suddenly gone - ditto phasma who suddenly seems to have been off in the next hangar when the big dern explosion happens) and when they cut back we get a ten-second reestablishment of what was going on when we left. many different shots establishing that the transports are getting shot down. stuff like that. i almost think benicio gets paid and leaves two different times...
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
also cut down the entire "run on the cannon" business, the falcon flying through caves, and them finding the exit by slowly realizing the crystal things are gone. these eat up time at a point when the movie feels "over" and only the luke/kylo finale is still compelling material.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 29 December 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
so did stable kid pull that broom to his hand using the force or nah
― mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
I’m also preferring to believe roger meant Caravan of Courage when he said “the ewok one”
― mh, Friday, 29 December 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link