Star Wars 8 shit talk

blood greebles <3

I also found this p convincing along similar lines: https://www.tor.com/2017/12/20/thanks-to-the-last-jedi-we-finally-know-what-the-force-awakens-means/

yeah both of those really good - thx!

While many Jedi have a better understanding of the Force, no one has the raw talent of Anakin Skywalker. And that unbridled strength is what seals the fate of the Jedi Order in the long run; when Anakin goes over to Palpatine’s side, the two become unstoppable.

Anyway the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from --- trying to fuse them together into a grand Skywalker theory of the series is a move in the wrong direction imo.

omw to my second viewing btw. i cracked and wanna see the red room again :-o

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theories that rely on expanded-universe shit (really anything that's not in the movies) tire me the hell out

I honestly tend to call bullshit on it. To me if it's not in the movie it doesn't exist, i shouldn't have to do homework.

That's why the Batman v Supes fans annoyed me "oh well u'd get it if u'd read xxx comic". I mean an easter egg is one thing...actually forcing you to be aware of dis ting to get what's going on is an9ther

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the whole manipulated-bloodline thing is a terrible plot idea and precisely the kind of family-as-destiny-to-be-embraced-or-overcome nonsense that RJ is using the Rey-as-nobody plot to get *away* from

I agree its best gotten away from and what I appreciate about this contrivance of the force giving rise to Kylo's opposite is that it allows for that move away from bloodline heroism without altogether jettisoning the obnoxious plot elements of the preqs--it ties them together with a bow, which I find enormously satisfying

luke chucking light saber would have been more satisfying with slide whistle (and caretaker getting bonked in the head with it)

second viewing: still messy and still overlong but knowing everything that was going to happen i was able to relax into it, enjoy the spectacular visuals and the emotional payoffs. was definitely weepier this time and i think it survives the second pass more than TFA did. good movie.

afaic there's Star Wars, Empire, The Ewok One, TFA I guess, Rogue One, and this. Anything else is fanfic.

So it's a Disney movie about murdering your mom. Nice. Also, it was so fucking boring!

lol roger you just named all the star wars movies asides from the prequels. not that i disagree w you

Also, it was so fucking boring!

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, December 29, 2017 10:30 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There were enough space battles lightsaber battles and chase sequences for a feature length no-dialogue edit what r u after here

yeah and they were all tedious as fuck

ugh what a tedious view of the most beautifully shot sequences ever in this series

I honestly don't understand why anyone who liked ANY of the previous Star Wars movies would dislike this one.

second viewing did make me much more conscious of the editing/bagginess of it and i stand by my belief that this film could shed fifteen minutes or more and be massively improved. there's a lot of redundancy. two different "chewie and porg are at the wheel" gags for example, when the first one nails it. the chase through the casino/streets does one too many "cut to another quiet locale just before they come charging in smashing stuff" bits, and the business with them trying to reach their shuttle (but it gets blown up!) is unnecessary - they could just be caught up in the herd and end up in the bluffs and the sequence would work the same way. cut four of the fourteen bb-8 gags and you've saved several minutes right there. the capture/execution scene with rose and finn and phasma seems to take ten minutes - they keep cutting away from it to the other stories (maybe to cover a confusing continuity issue where hux is suddenly there, suddenly gone - ditto phasma who suddenly seems to have been off in the next hangar when the big dern explosion happens) and when they cut back we get a ten-second reestablishment of what was going on when we left. many different shots establishing that the transports are getting shot down. stuff like that. i almost think benicio gets paid and leaves two different times...

also cut down the entire "run on the cannon" business, the falcon flying through caves, and them finding the exit by slowly realizing the crystal things are gone. these eat up time at a point when the movie feels "over" and only the luke/kylo finale is still compelling material.

so did stable kid pull that broom to his hand using the force or nah

I’m also preferring to believe roger meant Caravan of Courage when he said “the ewok one”

I think he did

so did stable kid pull that broom to his hand using the force or nah

― mh, Friday, December 29, 2017

That's no broom, that's a space setation

I loved this movie but generally agree with Dr C’s editing thoughts.

My theory: Rian Johnson didn’t spend a ton of money on reshoots to patch the story together after the fact, so they let him bring more fx shots to final, e.g. more porgs, more aliens in the casino doing stuff, and since they got finaled they might as well leave em in!

Of course for all I know this could have been how the cut looked from the beginning, maybe the extra stage business is just for tumblr gifs

I agree that the action sequences were boring tbh

The light saber duels in particular were weighty and slow. Our new Vader is not elegant.

The action seqs ruled. Fuuid!

thought fuiud was an underdeveloped character tbh

Also i want a lithograph of Luke's Tiananmen Square moment

I am a saddo w too much money to waste tho

another editing opportunity: spark/fire analogies

You know what would have made this movie perfect is if they had just had the opening crawl, then edited out the rest of the movie. All this unnecessary story, keeping us from the credit sequence that we all paid good money to see!

Benicio irritated me more than anything else in this movie. He’s a terrible actor, and his character was terrible and the stutter was terrible. Huge mistake including him in this.

i keep forgetting he was even in the movie -- his character was p pointless

I liked Benicio! I liked that he decided to give his dude a random stutter.

The movie would have been better IMO if nobody tried lol acting choices r so pathetic

lol roger you just named all the star wars movies asides from the prequels. not that i disagree w you

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, December 29, 2017

right. 3 movies. no books. no games. no tv specials. no extended universe anything. and no fan prequels. and no "a new hope"

Am I imagining/misremembering that Johnson originally had a different ending in mind and sold Disney on the one that's in the movie?

yeah originally Luke actually goes to Crait for real instead of being a holoprojection and as he's walking out a Bantha comes and eats him

I honestly don't understand why anyone who liked ANY of the previous Star Wars movies would dislike this one.

Was thinking about this the other day. Star Wars is literally my first memory (I was three or four in California, might have been the 1978 victory re-release, back when they did that sort of stuff, Darth Vader scared me and my dad had to take me out of the theatre, but I recovered for the next screening), and like anyone that age loved the Star Wars movies, collected the toys and stuff. I don't recall any real emotional affinity for them, though, and when they brought the series back I first went (to the "special edition" re-releases and then the prequels) out of a sense of quasi-professional obligation, and left thinking man, I never want to see any of those six movies ever again. So I saw TFA curious what my two kids would think of a Star Wars movie that synched up with their more contemporary minded age/tastes/expectations, and their reaction helped me answer Dan's (legit) question.

Anyway: my kids saw the (non-SE) OT but formed no real connections to the story (as such), and so didn't get anything out of the new SW movies that they didn't get from, say, Guardians of the Galaxy. I think it's that the original Star Wars and its sequels helped define a certain kind of epic FX blockbuster, and every epic blockbuster since then has been riffing on it, to degrees. So (to my mind) the only unique element of the new movies was an expansion of the soap opera mythology, since every other blockbuster has been otherwise steeped in the technical/style side of Star Wars. But at the same time, as we've discussed here, these movies (and particularly this movie) doesn't do much to expand or advance the mythology in an interesting way so much as shut it down, but I don't think the stories or characters are strong enough to stand on their own outside of the broader Star Wars continuum. Which left me (or we, including the one of my daughters that even wanted to see the new one) with just another big budget echo of the original Star Wars, another jumble of loosely assembled scenes with big set pieces but none (or little) of the charm of, say, the most recent Thor, or either GotG. And when this one aimed for that style anyway, it felt awkward and desperate, like a facsimile or fraud (which is kind of an extreme term).

Now, I don't know if anyone can do *better* than the new SW films, but that's a different question. I do know I got dragged to see the new Jumanji yesterday, which was .... workmanlike if fleetingly charming and lead me to talk to my kid about the differences and similarities between a soft reboot and a sequel and anyway, that's the sort of blockbuster movie world we live in today, one in which the new Star Wars is firmly nestled.

I think it's a slower, set piece-r, less comic booky, more consciously SRS and unintentionally annoyingly adolescent version of the good star wars flicks and therefore sits comfortably with the prequels.

^assuming yr talking about Jumanji

in all seriousness tho, I'm watching the prequels as we speak and...yeah, no.

Imo this movie’s standout contribution to the shared universe was, in the space of the “reach out” montage, resetting the Force and its Light and Dark sides to the distinctly Taoist, non-values-based version of the idea that it really should’ve been all along. I doubt the last movie will do anything so bold as to subvert the “good vs evil” plotting that drives these things but the interlude where it’s made clear that the Force’s two sides simply are, and that power and strength are destructive no matter the side, made me happy. It almost felt like a message.

7-y-o me was definitely taken with, and flummoxed by, the lightsaber battle in empire, when vader's basically like bring it on luke! the madder you get at me, the more i win!

now that i have kids of my own of course that scene makes a lot more sense. the madder i get, the more i lose indeed

What I love about that Empire lightsaber duel -- the best in any of the films, prequel or not -- is how Vader evolves from a cool customer parrying blows with one hand to a infuriated monster in the last third who wants to cut Luke down.

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