Star Wars 8 shit talk

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I just put WW in there as a DC film that didn't flop, it obviously did really well, as well as Thor or whatever. The other movies were considered box office disappointments, which is how I meant "underperformed." The Mummy seems like a good candidate, but even that one made over $400 million on a budget of $100 million or so.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

yeah none of those are 'flops' unless we're talking critically, which ...isn't what is usually referred to as a flop

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

Flopsonned

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

I might have misread that, each film might have only underperformed, but I'd say the franchise as a whole has flopped.

A lot of films that are intended to start franchises flop, a recent example being The Dark Tower.

Frederik B, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

Justice League 646.7 million USD

That still might not be enough to make a profit for the studio. I'm seeing $750 million as its estimated breakeven point. It was a stupidly expensive film.

The Mummy also reportedly lost a lot of money.

jmm, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link

Fantastic Four probably the last major superhero flop

Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

FF clearly only made to maintain rights. I’ve seen better high school plays.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link

the 1994 ashcan copy, or the Michael B Jordan/Kate Mara one

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

the latter

Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

just wait til Marvel Studios purchases the rights 10 years from now and re-re-reboots it

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link

I knew that was gonna be a stinker when I saw this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7QzW-siAro

"And what if we say no?"
"...Say yes."

IF that's the best piece of dialogue you could cobble up for the trailer, damn

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link

Disney own Fox now. It'll be much sooner than that

Number None, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link

they should have Chris Evans be Human Torch again

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link

Evans joked about that on Twitter when the deal was announced.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link

looking at those DC "flop" numbers are insane, perhaps the current blockbuster film business is just unsustainable

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link

my original point is that nothing will sink these sequels, let alone spark any sort of substantial box office backlash.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link

looking at those DC "flop" numbers are insane, perhaps the current blockbuster film business is just unsustainable

― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), 31. december 2017 19:14 (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It is. The Dark Tower was both a major flop, and the best selling film directed by a Danish director ever. The studious are throwing so much money at stupid ideas with untested directors it's insane. Everyone wants to get the next big Cinematic Universe, or the next Jurassic World.

Frederik B, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link

if this business can't figure out a way to make money on selling 3 quarters of a billion in tickets I don't know what to tell them

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

I think the marketing costs are scaled to the production costs so you end up with tons of money tacked on to the budget

It’d be funny if they eschewed tv commercials and major ads for the next Star Wars film and just let it ride on momentum

mh, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link

I hope they one up ROTJ and advertise one title up until opening night and then reveal a different title when it opens

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link

Star Wars: Big Ship Go Boom Boom

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link

More thoughts later but a second viewing really does make the film even better watching, and I very much enjoyed it out of the gate. A couple of moments remain drawn out but the pace works very well and I really did enjoy multiple creative moments in both editing and cinematography in particular.

Hamill’s performance remains strong but I was taken at how well Ridley and Driver did, especially in the telepathy scenes where the other wasn’t there.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link

honestly they could have just cut out everything that Finn was involved in and you'd have a better, shorter movie

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link

That would mean losing Rose, and no.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link

she was good but could I live with out that character to ditch cat horses, Del Toro, and slot machine leprechaun?

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link

better to just trim down the screen time for the horses, del toro, and the slot machine gags. but i've made my case on that one.

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link

xpost Faith and begorra. Or is that Force and begorra?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link

also I just remembered Mr. Leftovers as a weird Hunger Games villain with that brooch lol, man that whole thing was goofy

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link

Liked the character and actor, but I wish so much of the Rose stuff were not so contrived. Nonsensical bombing raid set up so that her sister gets sacrificed to give her motivation, spontaneous crush on non-entity (and demonstrated coward!) Finn to give her a romantic motivation, culminating in ... a potential suicide run to prevent someone else's suicide run?

Anyway, mentioned earlier but lots of suicides or attempted suicides in this movie!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

well, they wanted to make sure it was as difficult as possible for poe to discern when it's a good thing to selflessly throw yourself into the fray for the greater good, and when it's just a needless waste motivated by ego.

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link

We’re binging The IT Crowd today and I realized all technical criticisms of how Star Wars works are basically the same as complaining that the IT Crowd building would have at least had smoke detectors.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link

Yeah my stepmom helpfully incorrectly spoilered the movie for me by saying "the main character dies" and that b/w the divided reception ("A CONTROVERSIAL NEW DIRECTION IN STAR WARS FILMA") really had me thinking Rey was gonna die

Like 10 minutes in it occurred to me this was such an ensemble that "the main character" from her POV could be *anyone* which really raised the stakes for me in every fight/battle sequence (woah , and I really bought that Finn was gonna bite it in that run

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link

Rose as a character is fine but she feels like a plucky Disney sidekick grafted onto a Star Wars film. Also the off-ness of calling a character Rose in the SW universe really grates - other protags have otherly names like Rey, Kylo, Poe, Maz ... even Finn gets away with being a Verizon of his serial number. And then ... Rose.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link

ack, version, there isn’t even a company of that name in my country you stupid autocorrect

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link

Han, Luke, Leia

El Tomboto, Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link

Ben, Owen, Bubba, Ray, Rex, Cody, Django

El Tomboto, Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:54 (six years ago) link

elan sleazebaganno

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 31 December 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link

did we get a last name? she could be rose sleazebaganno.

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link

well now she’ll be rose sleazebaganno to me until proven otherwise

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link

it’s Tico

El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link

oh right

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link

tombot with the block

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link

she was rose sleazebaganno for less then 30 seconds ffs

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link

tom lolzblockanno

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link

Han? Leia? Not everyday names to me. Dunno who Bubba is. Django is Jango but I’ll take it. But Rose just sounds like lazy DGAF writing.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link

“Leia” seems like a variation of “Leah” which is a perfectly ordinary name.

The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

some of their names may sound like some of ours but it's just coincidence

mark s, Monday, 1 January 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link

Like...really? Obi-Wan goes by Ben in ANH, there's Luke, Luke's uncle is named Owen, all kindsa common names in the uni

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 January 2018 00:47 (six years ago) link

Lucas got the names for the main trio of heroes while at a bar overhearing a dude defending his gf: "look if you lay a hand on her..."

Better than asking his 4 yr old or whoever for prequel names.

omar little, Monday, 1 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link


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