Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

So really, the gropers are doing the kids a favor. You're welcome.

:-/

xp to thomp

Maybe one useful benchmark for this thread is, "Would Morrissey agree with your post?"

your posts no itt? probably

i meant the above more or less sincerely

:-)

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

i have a thread for you

gimme more james morrison

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

I think I'm more conservative in my opinions about people I know than about people in general.

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was moving
and that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

I understand the kid grew from the experience and that it wasn’t exploitative but still... I think adults should stay away from teenagers.

I’m not against the movie for portraying this relationshio the way it did and I am not even condemning the Oliver character. Maybe it’s just more like... watching it... I realized that if I was Elio’s parent I wouldn’t have been chill with this.

Although apparently Oliver is only supposed to be 24. He seemed way older in the film to me.

suggest a rename to 'aspects of my ignorance i'd rather post about than address'

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was movingand that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, January 16, 2018

I wouldn't date you either.

That's not an uncool conservative belief at any rate, it's something a lot of right-on social justice ppl have brought up to criticize the film with (that and "the book was written by a straight").

I've seen the last remark, and it's so absurd that it's beneath contempt.

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

Feel like current pro-sex work rhetoric is rarely about sex work being empowering and much more frequently about the idea that sex worker's labour rights matter more than moral qualms concerning content. Which shoves some things under the bed, sure.

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

― Yelploaf

my particular brand of hippie liberalism holds that everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices, but it's in society's best interest to help people even if they don't personally "deserve" it. because, and here's my uncool conservative belief, i think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

i don't think that's actually a radical belief of debatable coolness

wait

i don't think it's conservative, i think it's radical

which part is radical? the individualism or the nihilism?

i think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

"Use every man after his desert, and who should scape whipping?" -Bob Marley, 1601

think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

why do you hate novels and short stories?

humans are kind of the most pathetic among the animals in that we know we're going to die. it makes us little whimpery weirdo scaredy cats. we deserve pity at the very least.

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison)

from a social perspective being pro-sex work is radical, but from an economic perspective it seems kind of neoliberal, in that it's got these implicit assumptions about the inherent dignity of wage labour.

uncool conservative belief: i think societies should be more accepting of celibacy as a lifestyle choice

i think 'nobody deserves to live' is radical, or at least radically nonsensical

I think it's coherent to believe and behave as if everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices but I don't think it's remotely true.

can it be radically conservative at least?

philosophically i guess i might rephrase it as "nobody has the individual moral right to continue to live". i think this is a conservative argument because it has parallels to the doctrine of fundamental moral depravity preached by many christians, though i don't necessarily frame my belief from a christian perspective.

I think it's coherent to believe and behave as if everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices but I don't think it's remotely true.

― hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:42 AM (five minutes ago)

it's not, but it makes a good alternative to learned helplessness and i find applying it in my own life helps me focus on those choices i can make rather than the things i don't have a choice in.

i think the difference (or total lack of difference, depending on your point of view) between what it's useful to believe yourself when making decisions and how to treat & judge other people after they've made their decisions/life has happened to them is a key liberal-conservative point of distinction

I can totally see it as a counter to learned helplessness but there has to be a Third Way

let me rephrase it like this: if anybody is responsible for what happens to me, it's me, and whether or not something that happens to me is fair or a result of free choice, i have to accept the consequences. if i have a panic attack and i blow up at somebody and i get fired from my job as a result of that, you know, there's no point in spending a lot of time feeling guilty over my actions because it wasn't something i had a whole lot of control over. of course i'm still going to feel guilty because people have emotions but it's not something i go out of my way to feed. at the same time it's important for me to not say "well there's clearly no point in me going out and looking for work because at any time i could have another panic attack and fuck that job up too", even though saying that would be true.

i am more judgmental of myself than i am of other people. i guess that makes me liberal?

Nothing special about 1/7000000000th of a global population why bother getting weepy about whether someone deserves to be judged or not

Besides judging ppl in 99.999% of circs has zero effect on the subject it's literally posing to judge and worse posing to get haughty about someone else judging

i am responsible for lots of things that happen to other people (sort of, as long as you don't pull at 'responsibility' too hard). i think lots of people do not accept things that happen to them and some of them do so v effectively (cf. all that gumph about how a certain degree of paranoia about outside forces can leave your ego/optimism in tact).

seems awfully judgemental to call it haughty deems, if you constituted a more significant proportion of humankind I'd be offended by such posing

But luckily, eh

pose away in blessed irrelevance, my sweet prince

*nods*

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was moving
and that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:07 PM (yesterday

finding such a relationship inappropriate is anything but conservative

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't comment specifically, but my uncool conservative belief is that I think judging individual relationships from this standpoint is inappropriate, and arrogant. I think that disparities in age/income/etc can complicate relationships, and from a zoomed-out, societal perspective they can tell us a lot about unhealthy tendencies and what we value, but I don't believe it is my place to judge an individual relationship unless I know the people personally. I think any two people can love each other

Timothy Chalment did such a good job conveying the vulnerability and uncertainty of adolescence that his character “read” in some ways as younger than 17, which sparked my discomfort, which was really just that, not some kind of edict I passed on the film. I felt uncool and conservative for feeling like that bc the person I saw the film with unreservedly loved it. (I loved it too actually — an amazing cinematic portrayal of desire, vulnerability, coming of age, beautifully shot, etc) but still there was this lingering discomfort about the age thing.

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

― Yelploaf

most people die of opioid overdoses because due to prohibition they have no idea what's in their drugs and what strength they are. we could as a society easily treat addiction as a public health issue instead of a crime issue, we don't, so lots of people die needlessly.

and addiction isn't a choice

When you live with addicts or love them it’s really hard not to be furious with them though.

oh yeah i know that haha.

from an economic perspective it seems kind of neoliberal, in that it's got these implicit assumptions about the inherent dignity of wage labour

when people say stuff like that, what kind of labour are they thinking of, as like the alternative to wage labour?

UBI, presumably