movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are

High Fidelity the movie is very aware that the protagonist is a cock. The book far less so.

The movie takes its time during moments where he's brushing women off or treating them callously to linger on their reaction for an extra beat. Key shot is probably when he says goodbye to Lili Taylor and merrily monologues away while she stands by the door clearly breaking down a bit but he completely ignores it.

Mrs. Robinson is the hero of The Graduate

^^Reminds me of this bit from Barcelona:

Fred: You think wedding vows are going to change everything? God, your naivete is astounding! Didn't you see "The Graduate"?

Ted: You can remember "The Graduate"?

Fred: Yeah, I can remember a few things. Apparently you don't. The end? Katharine Ross has just married this really cool guy - tall, blond, incredibly popular, the make-out king of his fraternity in Berkeley - when this obnoxious Dustin Hoffman character shows up at the back of the church, acting like a total asshole. "Elaine! Elaine!" Does Katharine Ross tell Dustin Hoffman, "Get lost, creep. I'm a married woman"? No. She runs off with him - on a bus. That is the reality.

I think it's a rite of passage when you're rescreening Fast Times At Ridgemont High, and you go from identifying with one of the kids to identifying with Mr. Hand.

Lots of 80s movies want you to root for someone who totally doesn't deserve rooting for, obv. Ferris only one of a thousand.

I've always felt this way about Reality Bites - not so much that it needed to be told from a different (Stillerian) perspective, just that it worked hard to lionize bad people.

True challops is: I felt the exact same way about Frances Ha.

Also about Harold and Maude. Gah.

Some terrible movie people are not terrible in the ostensibly-cute-terrible-people way like Rushmore or N. Dynamite or whatever.

Colossus is the hero of The Forbin Project

OK, Paddington Bear's turn...

Revenge of the Nerds, Zapped!, Farmer Ted in 16 Candles, Blaine in Pretty in Pink, Can't Buy Me Love...

High Fidelity the movie is very aware that the protagonist is a cock. The book far less so.

The whole point of the book seemed to be his realization of his dickishness, I thought? How else could you read the meeting with Penny?

Revenge of the Nerds

Yeah rape and spycams are HILARE

Are horror and especially giant monster movies too obvious for this?

Cliff Curtis' character from Live Free Or Die Hard needs his own franchise.

in the disney continuity, scrooge mcduck is still a stingy guy -- i thought he was supposed to be reformed?

― Philip Nunez, Sunday, December 31, 2017 6:39 PM (yesterday)

scrooge mcduck isn't supposed to be the same character as ebenezer scrooge, he's got a whole epic backstory about earning his money from striking gold in the klondike, etc etc, plus he seems to know the origin story of every coin in his money bin so that's why he's so attached to it all

also the junior woodchuck patrol v frequently show him the bounds of his narcissism and venality, he just resets every time

(nb I have no idea about "Disney continuity," only stories by his creator)

The whole point of the book seemed to be his realization of his dickishness, I thought? How else could you read the meeting with Penny?

I said less so, not "not at all"! It's been decades but Hornby seemed to find his protagonist far more adorable than Cusack, Pink and DeVincentis (though it could be argued that theirs was more charming)

Reminds me that one of my terrible thread ideas was a poll of tv shows adapting A Christmas Carol and It's a Wonderful Life for their own purposes.

Omar, you gotta start that thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBDE_8DLag

Chasing Amy

What's a Nubian?

Surprised that Simon Pegg’s within the first few replies but that no-one has mentioned How To Lose Friends And Alienate People.

If it ended with the TY based SP scrote-agonist getting slowly eaten by a Komodo dragon I'd have watched that!

The Incredilbes is a parable about a revolutionary who wants to redistribute from the powerful to the powerless, and the arrogant aristocrats fighting to keep their elevated status. I hate that film.

any movie where someone has to lower themselves briefly into the horror of normal working life before they realise they are superspecial above it and succeed

I've seen people say Daniel is the bad guy in Karate Kid but I don't see it

― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal)

Try watching Cobra Kai.

any movie where someone has to lower themselves briefly into the horror of normal working life before they realise they are superspecial above it and succeed

incredibles prompted it but like this is every movie tbh

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Jack Black deserves severe sanctions and probably some jail time at the conclusion of School of Rock. The more interesting character arc belongs to Joan Cusack’s principal although she definitely should lose her job.

Haha yes otm

Lol

as a teacher I agree 100 pct

Yeah agree on School of Rock. I was part of a live read of the script last year and we all were like “...let’s change some lines”

Listening to 2112 for homework = quality education.

flappy which role did you take?

I was given the role of the obnoxious drummer kid. it was fun

I assume there has been a court case and a suspended sentence between the concert and the end credits in School Of Rock

And the judge is some kind of indiscriminate fan of both Rush AND Led Zep? Not likely

yeah good luck finding an older white man who loves those bands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVjs4aobqs

I found Ferris Bueller more insufferable than anyone else in the film

Lost in Translation

ScarJo's husband wasn't a bad guy, he was just trying to work. That's why you're in Tokyo to start with!

viewing humperdinck, count rugen and vizzini as the 'good guys' of princess bride is up there with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yHyxeju1U

There was nothing particularly likeabke or sympathetic about the lead characters in Lost in Translation. Being a bored spouse who moved somewhere for their partner’s high paying job is v 1% problems.

uh

Ok I barely remember the plot of that movie so if that’s not a totally accurate rendering for some reason w/e. It was boring.

It was a long time ago that I saw it but were we supposed to think that Charlotte's husband was a bad guy or even that she was especially 'good'? I didn't really see it that way.

he wasn't outwardly dickish but he was thoughtless and selfish iirc

I somehow have never seen Lost in Translation. I remember it coming out, and don't know why I never saw it, 2003 was right when I started going to art houses, it must've passed thru here in a couple of weeks. I remember it came out in August. I've had a copy of it for 2 years, I should watch it this week.

So little is made of the husband that I think that all the romantic confusion is from whitin Charlotte.

Also the shark in Jaws is mostly minding its own business.