Bond #24: SPECTRE

how does anybody fucking waste Christoph Waltz?

only the fact that i was watching it with my mum stopped me from putting my foot thru the telly

incidentally the first episode of McMafia on BBC1 last night was far better than this

yeah I think I went too easy on this one upthread, it's a bad bond. no desire at all to rewatch ever.

there are no good bonds

how does anybody fucking waste Christoph Waltz?

xp

i'm aware of your rongness on this point

this one was bad enough to make me regret all of them tho

Yeah I caught this last night for the first time and it was laughably bad.

The dreadful lifeless theme tune should have warned me what was to come really.

quite like the song, one of the least rubbish things about the whole experience

there are no good bonds

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/d4fc01bc47ce9d36a6267106f2880236a382da96.jpg

Mendes hates Bond it's pretty obvious

i found this more diverting than skyfall but it's not very good no

This one def went through a spectacular reversal for me too, from seeing it in the theater & thinking whoa that was p great to rewatching & going ... ok wtf WAS that

(Dave Bautista henchman still great though, that chase was dope)

all that Christoph Waltz/Blofeld backstory was so fkn STUPID grrr it makes me so mad now

Skyfall held up a little better to rewatching, plus it’s shot so gorgeously I get distracted from the silly stuff

But yeah Spectre just annoys me more & more every time I put it on (ive rewatched twice since theatres)

if it helps my pals and i made best sense of this (the equal worst entry in a long series all just as bad) by assuming that everything that happens after the torture scene is only happening in bond's head as he lies unconcious and feverish on the operating table, as will be revealed in the next ep when he wakes up

it’s the worst thing to hope for bcz god how shit is THAT but tbf i kind of hope it’s true

Did ILX ever poll the best Bond film opening scene? This would be...top half.

Bond Pre-Credits Sequences: POLL

for your eyes only robbed imo

I don't even remember the GoldenEye one

006 died (but not really)

that was the one where he caught up to the falling plane, climbed inside and flew away

he was in Titanic?

― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:07 AM bookmarkflaglink

he played Kathy Bates

― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, February 2, 2016 10:08 AM bookmarkflaglink

ok this is unexpected but it actually hits quite differently rewatching now after seeing No Time To Die

i think half of what i didnt like was Madeline Swan & i honestly appreciate her a lot more now?

Yeah I kinda figure that like with QoS if you watch this in combination with the film it’s most directly tied with it takes on a different resonance, however unintended at the time.

honestly, I always liked Spectre and was the odd person out on this thread (I think DJP liked it too? I can't recall).

also I love "Writing on the Wall" I don't care if I am its sole defender. but I don't care for Eilish's song.

I do recognize that it is a bit lazy to throw in a character that previously was obviously not part of the universe and retconning them to be the puppetmaster of the previous films, but.....I think that's an inherent problem of turning Bond into a universe with continuity. Nobody gives a fuck if shit doesn't line up in the pre-Craig Bonds. I kind of hope they go back to the standalone format from here on out, even though I liked the Craigs.

also on the way to see Spectre I totally hit someone's car in the parking lot so I should hate the film but I don't.

i rewatched (sorry, 'rescreened') QoS a little while back because i got the sense it was getting a reappraisal and...it was fine? i think i might not have actually seen Spectre, so might watch that soon before seeing the new one

QoS is definitely 'fine', just a huge letdown after Casino. I rewatched last night and I didn't outright hate it like I did when I first saw it, and I think the story is all over the place.

but the big thing is that the trailers for the movie made it sound like a much different movie than it turned out to be. yes, it was kind of a revenge flick, but....only somewhat? trailer made it seem like a neo License to Kill where Rage-Bond goes rogue and blows up entire cities in avenging Vesper.

also the oil woman replacing gold woman = fail

but it's still ok, opening set piece is good, so is plane fight scene.

i remember being annoyed that he didnt shoot Blofeld and it definitely did not really sink in as to the why of it all

it’s quite poignant this time around
and when she looks at Bond instead of at the footage of White killing himself when theyre in Blofeld’s resort/lair … much bigger impact for me this time round

also I love "Writing on the Wall" I don't care if I am its sole defender

gasp

lol

not the lyrics though, those are like 2nd grade level. just the musical aspect

i still hate the song & skip the credits completely

Especially as Radiohead's rejected effort is so much better (though I can see why it wasn't used as you can't really make out any of the words).

I can’t remember if I posted here when this was new.

Spectre had a fantastic opening set piece. And there was an amazing battle in a skyscraper, and also Batista was great in it (it was this movie, right?). Then … there’s the rest of the flick

Watching it in the theater I just didn’t care about it and was relieved when it ended. Daniel Craig looked like he wanted to be anywhere else. I like Christophe Waltz, but yeeesh.

I’m pretty sure I’m the only person I know who doesn’t love Skyfall, but that’s for a different thread.

Spectre had a fantastic opening set piece. And there was an amazing battle in a skyscraper, and also Batista was great in it (it was this movie, right?). Then … there’s the rest of the flick

Skyscraper battle is Skyfall and yes, my favorite sequence of the film easily. Deakins earned his keep. Bautista was in Spectre, yup.

I also am pretty meh on Skyfall, only because it's so long and ponderous. I stand by my proposal that it could be massively improved by just dropping the entire sequence where Bardem gets captured on purpose and attacks Parliament. Top to bottom derivative and tedious to get through.

Skyfall I now appreciate purely because the villain has a clear objective, Bardem is amazing and it’s one of the rare times a villain is not thwarted!
Also skyscraper fight rules, Komodo dragon/Macau stuff is awesome… has a lot of great stuff!

Spectre has the Bautista car chase in Italy! with the parachute ejectorseat! the alpine stuff in Austria with the plane smashing down the mountain like a crazy sled! the fkn TRAIN FIGHT with Bautista! so many things i had forgotten. it has a lot of very good/excellent set pieces & great locations. Waltz is still frustrating as Blofeld, I would have preferred someone else more threatening w more gravitas

seriously everyone who has seen No Time To Die should rewatch Spectre and be pleasantly surprised at how it hold up and/or improves

imo

and i will give you $10

jk

$10K why thank you. That is what you meant to type, yes?

yes ned 10,000 will be wired to the account of your choosing just key in your 6 digit password on the keypad here but fyi VESPER as a password is not allowed due to a previous incident

"what do you mean I can't reuse previous passwords? It's my bloody password!"

Sir please stop choking me. SIR.

seriously everyone who has seen No Time To Die should rewatch Spectre and be pleasantly surprised at how it hold up and/or improves

imo

I rewatched it after seeing No Time To Die and all the bits I thought sucked still sucked (ie not Bautista)

:/

tbf I tuned out completely and started internetting before the end of the desert hideout torture scene stuff, maybe everything after “Bond and Blofeld are brothers” is rly good