Music that sounds like 'Spirit of Eden' and 'Laughing Stock'

Never saw that one. I have heard him talk about Gil Evans and, I think Bartok, before but not Sibelius/Debussy/Delius who are all hugely pantheon for me.

That whole (You sure about this? - ed.) seems to have disappeared from contemporary music journalism. What a shame.

Yeah, that brought a flood of nostalgia, that did. (I bet it did. - Ed.)

Thanks for posting that, Nick. I recall reading the piece an age ago but didn't remember the specific reference to Sibelius. The praise for the Bartok quartets also isn't surprising, as the more pastoral passages from those are a proper redolence bomb vis-à-vis Talk Talk, with perhaps specific reference to SQ4 mvmt. 3.

Delius and Sibelius, sure, but I don't hear the Bartók influence at all. Talk Talk's later music has none of the six quartets' rhythmic snappiness, nor their deliberate embrace of worldly immanence. The 'night music' comes closest, perhaps, but even there Bartók's debt to classicism is audible, which is not a lineage I'd associate with Hollis, et al. Maybe the third piano concerto (especially the Adagio religioso or the unfinished one for viola? But that's not what he's talking about in the interview.

Hollis’ biggest link with Sibelius, really, is in his near-unattainable standard for whether he was allowed to make new music. Both were convinced that they had taken their project to the final degree so that only silence could take over. I wonder if there is an abandoned or destroyed Hollis project to correspond with Sibelius’ burnt 8th Symphony. Sibelius’ decades of silence following that had a bit to do with depression and alcoholism; I don’t get the sense that Hollis’ halt comes from as dark a place.

I was actually going to add that the influence of the more rawkus, or rhythmically snappy, as you put it, side of Bartok does not manifest itself in TT. I would still argue that something like the "Myrrhman" outro has a resemblance to some of the slower movements in the BB SQs though.

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Otm – hadn't crossed my mind.

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I was actually going to add that the influence of the more rawkus, or rhythmically snappy, as you put it, side of Bartok

i forget which volume of soundbombing bartok was on

Whoops, raucous. Haha.

Hollis did say, at the time of the release of his solo album, that the delay between Laughing Stock and it was on account of his feeling after the making of the former that it was such a complete expression of what he wanted to achieve at the time, that making something else was unthinkable. I don't know if the same outlook with regards to his body of work as a whole now explains his 20 years of near total silence.

John Storgårds's Sibelius symphony cycle with the BBC Philharmonic includes 'Three Late Fragments' and there is something vaguely Talk Talk-like about them, pointing towards might have been. Maybe.

Here's a live recording with the Helsinki Philharmonic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmIGn97BXs8

Yes? No?

http://blackesteverblack.bandcamp.com/album/sleep-heavy

Vocals kind of remind me of Hollis but the backing is subdued grainy electronic stuff. Really kinda feeling it tonight.

wow, i missed the whole sibelius revive. yeah, i've thought sibelius and hollis were similar myself, was thinking about adding a para about it to my classical list

not feeling this Jabu at all and hope this isn't indicative of where BEB are heading

And I love Hollis, Raime, and, err, Portishead, but no

maybe more colour of spring but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nupLGtgADKw

it's obviously tighter and more groove-based, but i actually thought last year's grizzly bear album hit on a similar jazzy naturalism that Spirit Of Eden (and probably Colour Of Spring more) really pinned down. didn't get a lot of critical attention because of the Great Indie Crit-Flip Of 2017, but imo it's one of the best things they've ever done.

i agree.

"the Great Indie Crit-Flip Of 2017"

Please summarize in your own words below

lol kinda flippant coinage but plenty of white dude bands who had had critics riding for them and arguably creating their commercial viability in the late 2000s/early 2010s released albums in 2017 to noticeably more tepid coverage. thinking dirty projectors, fleet foxes, grizzly bear, real estate, cloud nothings, destroyer, arcade fire, the shins, to some extent fleet foxes. only the national and lcd soundsystem albums seemed like they really poked above the fray across the board.

some of those albums were obviously just bad, but a few at least were bad or "not great" in ways that felt like wouldn't have been pointed out by the same outlets a decade ago—especially the cloud nothings and dirty projectors albums, to my ears. cosmopolitan renderings of interiority don't have the same cachet they used to.

I would say that large sections of the, rather good, new Necks record fit the criteria nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8g2W0mWOY

I know what you mean, there is a resemblance in the sound. But firstly it is quite repetitive like all Necks songs I have ever listened to. And secondly there is no tune in the piece above. As it is common for The Necks but not for Talk Talk. But I agree that track is about the best I have ever heard by The Necks.

That Lo Moon clip upthread though really sounds like a reincarnation of Talk Talk. The singer has got a similar high voice as Mark Hollis, there is a warm & delicate chamber music feel with a strong hook. Yes!

Tamara Lindeman really gave me the shivers today:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OJ9SYLVaIUI

This little soundtrack snippet came up on my mp3 player and I thought it sounded like it could be something from late Talk Talk or Hollis's solo album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGJryq4-G4

what is it, pheel? i'm getting an error message.

pleased to see that rain tree crow was mentioned early on. surprised that there's not been mention of sylvian's nine horses project though.

ha I saw this thread bumped and thought "bet it's The Weather Station"

The album entire is gorgeous btw

"Beautiful People" by Mark Pritchard & Thom Yorke has a big Mark Hollis vibe.

Wow @ that Weather Station track! Album due Feb, according to Amazon UK.

Alex - the Pheeel link is to #findfrank, a solo piano piece from the Stephen Rennicks 'Frank' (Sidebottom) soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq5X2G5qKQI

https://youtu.be/vIaznyD076c

thanks for the loma track, that's absolutely amazing. 100% late talk talk. a beautiful build-up, even the small noisy bits remind me of them. and her voice is phenomenal. the rest of the album though doesn't click with me at all.

i meant the atonal bits of the woodwind instruments.

That's weird, because the rest of the album is totally of a piece with that track.

really? then i have to give it another go.

This lovely piece from the new Gaze is Ghost record is giving me slight TT notes.

https://gazeisghost.bandcamp.com/track/wild-geese

This is gorgeous, as is the other track - thanks Maresn3st

NP - I'm excited to hear this album when it emerges.

Yeah, I quite liked that.

gaze is ghost v lush

Lilys - Eccsame The Photon Band (1994) often gets miscategorized as "shoegaze" but has this huge Spirit of Eden (esp. the demos of) sound as well as a heaping dose of Japan/Sylvian sprinkled on top.

I feel like the drums on that record might be the controversial element there, though. I could see people feeling like it undermines the quiet moments. Had mixed feelings at one point, but for me they really give the record a unique sound.

think i'm their main cheerleader on ilm, so it would be v remiss of me not to say that zelienople put out yet another great album last year called 'hold you up'. it's all good but this is the closing track off it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlfYpHgtjo

Zelienople are in some respects my Platonic ideal of a band but I always seem to forget about them. Just listened to Hold You Up and it's predictably gorgeous.

Matt Christensen is sounding weirdly reminiscent of Adam Granduciel on the whole record.

Oh I love this (Zelienople)

that weather station album is finally out and is really good!

Matt Christensen is sounding weirdly reminiscent of Adam Granduciel on the whole record.

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I thought "wait, who is that?" then as soon as I hear the first syllable of vocals in the above song, instantly "oh yeah that guy"

surprised that there's not been mention of sylvian's nine horses project though.

Just stumbled on this and thought of this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hp4nIJd-8

I feel that unearth, one of the great and most consistent users of RYM, has basically his whole taste built around Talk Talk.
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/unearth/eternal-recurrence/1/