That whole (You sure about this? - ed.) seems to have disappeared from contemporary music journalism. What a shame.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 5 January 2018 13:11 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that brought a flood of nostalgia, that did. (I bet it did. - Ed.)
Thanks for posting that, Nick. I recall reading the piece an age ago but didn't remember the specific reference to Sibelius. The praise for the Bartok quartets also isn't surprising, as the more pastoral passages from those are a proper redolence bomb vis-à-vis Talk Talk, with perhaps specific reference to SQ4 mvmt. 3.
― Freedom, Friday, 5 January 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link
Delius and Sibelius, sure, but I don't hear the Bartók influence at all. Talk Talk's later music has none of the six quartets' rhythmic snappiness, nor their deliberate embrace of worldly immanence. The 'night music' comes closest, perhaps, but even there Bartók's debt to classicism is audible, which is not a lineage I'd associate with Hollis, et al. Maybe the third piano concerto (especially the Adagio religioso or the unfinished one for viola? But that's not what he's talking about in the interview.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
Hollis’ biggest link with Sibelius, really, is in his near-unattainable standard for whether he was allowed to make new music. Both were convinced that they had taken their project to the final degree so that only silence could take over. I wonder if there is an abandoned or destroyed Hollis project to correspond with Sibelius’ burnt 8th Symphony. Sibelius’ decades of silence following that had a bit to do with depression and alcoholism; I don’t get the sense that Hollis’ halt comes from as dark a place.
― Winter. Dickens. Yes. (Jon not Jon), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
I was actually going to add that the influence of the more rawkus, or rhythmically snappy, as you put it, side of Bartok does not manifest itself in TT. I would still argue that something like the "Myrrhman" outro has a resemblance to some of the slower movements in the BB SQs though.
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― Freedom, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
Otm – hadn't crossed my mind.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
I was actually going to add that the influence of the more rawkus, or rhythmically snappy, as you put it, side of Bartok
i forget which volume of soundbombing bartok was on
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Whoops, raucous. Haha.
― Freedom, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
Hollis did say, at the time of the release of his solo album, that the delay between Laughing Stock and it was on account of his feeling after the making of the former that it was such a complete expression of what he wanted to achieve at the time, that making something else was unthinkable. I don't know if the same outlook with regards to his body of work as a whole now explains his 20 years of near total silence.
― Freedom, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
John Storgårds's Sibelius symphony cycle with the BBC Philharmonic includes 'Three Late Fragments' and there is something vaguely Talk Talk-like about them, pointing towards might have been. Maybe.
Here's a live recording with the Helsinki Philharmonic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmIGn97BXs8
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
Yes? No?
http://blackesteverblack.bandcamp.com/album/sleep-heavy
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link
Vocals kind of remind me of Hollis but the backing is subdued grainy electronic stuff. Really kinda feeling it tonight.
― my dreams in the hell-pits (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 10:26 (six years ago) link
wow, i missed the whole sibelius revive. yeah, i've thought sibelius and hollis were similar myself, was thinking about adding a para about it to my classical list
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
not feeling this Jabu at all and hope this isn't indicative of where BEB are heading
And I love Hollis, Raime, and, err, Portishead, but no
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
maybe more colour of spring but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nupLGtgADKw
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Sunday, 11 March 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
it's obviously tighter and more groove-based, but i actually thought last year's grizzly bear album hit on a similar jazzy naturalism that Spirit Of Eden (and probably Colour Of Spring more) really pinned down. didn't get a lot of critical attention because of the Great Indie Crit-Flip Of 2017, but imo it's one of the best things they've ever done.
― austinb, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link
i agree.
― akm, Monday, 12 March 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
"the Great Indie Crit-Flip Of 2017"
Please summarize in your own words below
― Evan, Monday, 12 March 2018 03:35 (six years ago) link
lol kinda flippant coinage but plenty of white dude bands who had had critics riding for them and arguably creating their commercial viability in the late 2000s/early 2010s released albums in 2017 to noticeably more tepid coverage. thinking dirty projectors, fleet foxes, grizzly bear, real estate, cloud nothings, destroyer, arcade fire, the shins, to some extent fleet foxes. only the national and lcd soundsystem albums seemed like they really poked above the fray across the board.
some of those albums were obviously just bad, but a few at least were bad or "not great" in ways that felt like wouldn't have been pointed out by the same outlets a decade ago—especially the cloud nothings and dirty projectors albums, to my ears. cosmopolitan renderings of interiority don't have the same cachet they used to.
― austinb, Monday, 12 March 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
I would say that large sections of the, rather good, new Necks record fit the criteria nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8g2W0mWOY
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 10:46 (five years ago) link
I know what you mean, there is a resemblance in the sound. But firstly it is quite repetitive like all Necks songs I have ever listened to. And secondly there is no tune in the piece above. As it is common for The Necks but not for Talk Talk. But I agree that track is about the best I have ever heard by The Necks.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
That Lo Moon clip upthread though really sounds like a reincarnation of Talk Talk. The singer has got a similar high voice as Mark Hollis, there is a warm & delicate chamber music feel with a strong hook. Yes!
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 23 August 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
Tamara Lindeman really gave me the shivers today:http://www.youtube.com/embed/OJ9SYLVaIUI
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 17 October 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
This little soundtrack snippet came up on my mp3 player and I thought it sounded like it could be something from late Talk Talk or Hollis's solo album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGJryq4-G4
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
what is it, pheel? i'm getting an error message.
pleased to see that rain tree crow was mentioned early on. surprised that there's not been mention of sylvian's nine horses project though.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
ha I saw this thread bumped and thought "bet it's The Weather Station"
The album entire is gorgeous btw
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 18 October 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
"Beautiful People" by Mark Pritchard & Thom Yorke has a big Mark Hollis vibe.
― fetter, Sunday, 18 October 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
Wow @ that Weather Station track! Album due Feb, according to Amazon UK.
Alex - the Pheeel link is to #findfrank, a solo piano piece from the Stephen Rennicks 'Frank' (Sidebottom) soundtrack.
― Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Monday, 19 October 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq5X2G5qKQI
― ufo, Sunday, 25 October 2020 00:19 (three years ago) link
https://youtu.be/vIaznyD076c
― vmajestic, Monday, 26 October 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
thanks for the loma track, that's absolutely amazing. 100% late talk talk. a beautiful build-up, even the small noisy bits remind me of them. and her voice is phenomenal. the rest of the album though doesn't click with me at all.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 26 November 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
i meant the atonal bits of the woodwind instruments.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 26 November 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link
That's weird, because the rest of the album is totally of a piece with that track.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 26 November 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
really? then i have to give it another go.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 26 November 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
This lovely piece from the new Gaze is Ghost record is giving me slight TT notes.
https://gazeisghost.bandcamp.com/track/wild-geese
― Maresn3st, Friday, 29 January 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
This is gorgeous, as is the other track - thanks Maresn3st
― technopolis, Friday, 29 January 2021 14:09 (three years ago) link
NP - I'm excited to hear this album when it emerges.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 29 January 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I quite liked that.
― pomenitul, Friday, 29 January 2021 15:13 (three years ago) link
gaze is ghost v lush
― nxd, Monday, 8 February 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
Lilys - Eccsame The Photon Band (1994) often gets miscategorized as "shoegaze" but has this huge Spirit of Eden (esp. the demos of) sound as well as a heaping dose of Japan/Sylvian sprinkled on top.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 8 February 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
I feel like the drums on that record might be the controversial element there, though. I could see people feeling like it undermines the quiet moments. Had mixed feelings at one point, but for me they really give the record a unique sound.
― Evan, Monday, 8 February 2021 17:01 (three years ago) link
think i'm their main cheerleader on ilm, so it would be v remiss of me not to say that zelienople put out yet another great album last year called 'hold you up'. it's all good but this is the closing track off it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlfYpHgtjo
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link
Zelienople are in some respects my Platonic ideal of a band but I always seem to forget about them. Just listened to Hold You Up and it's predictably gorgeous.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:29 (three years ago) link
Matt Christensen is sounding weirdly reminiscent of Adam Granduciel on the whole record.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:31 (three years ago) link
Oh I love this (Zelienople)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 13:56 (three years ago) link
that weather station album is finally out and is really good!
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Tuesday, February 9, 2021 4:31 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I thought "wait, who is that?" then as soon as I hear the first syllable of vocals in the above song, instantly "oh yeah that guy"
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link
surprised that there's not been mention of sylvian's nine horses project though.
Just stumbled on this and thought of this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hp4nIJd-8
― Legitimate Interest (Noel Emits), Sunday, 2 May 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
I feel that unearth, one of the great and most consistent users of RYM, has basically his whole taste built around Talk Talk. https://rateyourmusic.com/list/unearth/eternal-recurrence/1/
― Nabozo, Sunday, 2 May 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link
I only got to 150 but good grief that’s a dull list.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 3 May 2021 05:06 (two years ago) link