Dave Chappelle - "Killin' 'Em Softly"

yep

good to remember not to project our values onto the people we admire

did you just yep your ding ding?

good post polyphonic

also i dunno aside from those concerns, like transphobic stuff like caitlyn jenner shit just seems so lame and old fashioned like some fuckin hacky jay leno monologue from 1998 or some shit, like just beneath someone of chapelle's talents

I somehow thought k3vin wrote polyphonic's post

yeah I was wondering how to respond to that, haha. all good

how can anyone even think about anything he's saying when his jacket choices continue to be so weirdly ill-fitting

the guy cannot not wear weird clothes

i just kept staring at the e-cig and the real cigs in both specials. it's all i could look at. it makes me nervous when people hold cigarettes and don't smoke them for some reason. and when people just hold an unlit cigarette and take four years to light it while they're talking. but that's just me. and, yeah, that big C jacket was lame.

not sure i understood exactly how his pimp parable at the end of Bird Rev pertains to him or the audience or comedy central(?) or hollywood or anything really

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, January 5, 2018 1:31 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I took it to imply that capitalism will wring every bit of humanity out of you, so he got out while he could

I thought the new ones were mostly bad, especially the second one which didn’t have any laughs and was basically appalling. he tries to houdini his way out of some pretty ugly setups, and to his credit it almost works a couple of times, but what he has to offer is not really worth an hour’s time in 2018. he’s a sad old man

― k3vin k., Friday, January 5, 2018 3:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i disagree. i took it as him saying he was the bottom to the coldblooded culture industry's pimp -- a powerful explanation for why he quit his show

yeah i considered both of those but still wasn't really sure

briefly considered that maybe he even meant he's Iceberg and the audience is the bottom but tbh i was pretty high when i watched it

the first one is pretty good overall
the second one is really...off... like borderline not even a comedy special

I fell asleep during the third one 3 nights in a row. Think I have 4 minutes left. Might not finish it cos it wasn’t v funny. Think Between the 4 new specials there’s prob like 45 mins worth of p good material

i watched both of these and... yeah... he says some rough stuff. now i'm not gonna be surprised if people get upset at the new stuff. it seems like he is pretty critical of the #metoo movement and at times more than a little cruel towards victims imo. but i still think he has the right to say what is on his mind and to expect otherwise seems counterproductive. there shouldn't be an expectation for him to suddenly discard a life's worth of behaviors and socially ingrained belief systems and become an expert in this one ideology. there is value in letting an old fart say what is on his mind and have people publicly say "We don't care if you were a hero you can't get away w that and here is why"

he is from an older era and is using these older reference points. like that Pimp book seems like a very 70's civil rights, something that will immediately trigger a modern audience. i don't think this is intentional and this is just a book he was aware of through his older cultural touchstones and thought was relevant. cos he saw the Weinstein stuff as the same thing these pimps were doing. the pimp had used the money to pay off all of the enablers that helped him break this already broken woman. all the money that was only being made due to the hard work of the exploited woman. Hollywood is pimps seems to be what he is saying.

xpost yeah he also just seems really... lazy and disengaged a lot of times like the final one there are so many times when he just seems to be rambling only sort of making semi gestures towards actual jokes or bits

Yah v half-baked, if you will.

OK, I watched the second/fourth one and, like, I can understand some measure of disappointment that this, like, FOUR FUCKING HOURS of comedy specials released in the span of a single year aren't put together like the C.K./Oswalt model of "this is my hottest hour of material that I've workshopped and finessed on the road for a year," but like I don't see why its so hard to adjust your expectations for a little rambling/free-form from the most naturally hilarious guy on the planet in a world where the Onion A/V Club is like pressuring people to listen to 18 hours of fucking Earwolf comedy podcasts. Even when he's just, like, telling the plot of the Iceberg Slim book for 10 minutes or whatever, he's a transfixing speaker and hilarious guy, even if he's not doing a standard "set"

idk, like, I obviously would never ever ever fault or question someone for saying that Chappelle's trans/rape/gay material upsets their moral compass to the point where they don't want to listen to the guy.

But I really don't understand the upper mississippi/Spottie/Neaderthal criticism that these specials aren't "funny." Like if Dave Chappelle isn't funny, I would love to know what recent comedy things they think is funny.

how many times did you laugh during the second new special? I can't remember laughing at anything actually original, i.e. something other than "haha, this white guy knows what a bottom b---- is"

please write down a number that you think would be an appropriate cutoff for deciding whether or not Dave Chappelle's new special was funny and mail it to a mod before I reveal how many times I laughed. all done? ok. I laughed 1 million times.

god I sure hope I'm tiresome to you sanctimonious fucks

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:07 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3

in a world where the Onion A/V Club is like pressuring people to listen to 18 hours of fucking Earwolf comedy podcasts.

i have no idea what any of this means i don't listen to comedy podcast i've listened to like maybe 10 maron episodes and half weren't comedians

i dunno, i thought that the comedy special "nice lady" by michelle wolf on HBO was very funny, that's one recent one that i watched. i thought it was better than any of these dave chapelle shows. but i'm not dr. comedy, md.

i liked ali wong baby cobra and mike birbiglia thank god for jokes too, i liked those as much or more than the chappelle ones

i just kinda watch random ones on netflix or hbo

i liked (the poorly-named) "Kevin Hart Presents Keith Robinson: Back of the Bus Funny"

wouldn't you have a normal last name and just a doctorate in comedy instead of medicine?

laughter is the best medicine

^ otm

would photoshop* a prescription for Chappelle but i don't do that anymore

*edit in powerpoint

new netflix is not funny and just lazy tbh

dunno if I want to hear another comedian claim that we should go easy on Louie CK cuz what he did "wasn't all that bad"

yeah lasted about 10 minutes

as time goes by it gets weirder and weirder for me to remember that he got super famous from doing a sketch comedy show where he wore wacky wigs and shit

When I saw him a couple of years ago it felt more like hanging out with someone that sometimes says funny things than it did seeing standup. There was no real rhythm to the delivery.

this one is front-loaded with a bunch of obnoxious shit. The most glaring one to me wasn't the Michael Jackson or LGBT-car-trip jokes - it was the "what if I said I was a Chinese person that was trapped in a black man's body" bit (which he later says his own Asian wife finds offensive!) I don't think his comic chops have diminished at all, even the MJ shit is basically just a set-up for a p funny McAuley Culkin joke, but it's sad that he feels compelled to return to "controversial" topics on which he doesn't have anything insightful to say. I mean, the Culkin joke is funny, but it's also super-lazy. I think he's better with the more personal sort of long-form shaggy-dog-type stories that turn out to be really carefully constructed but in this special that stuff is undercut by his compulsion to "push the envelope" or whatever.

It's also sad to a comedian (or any public figure really) complaining about audience feedback in terms of "cancellation culture"/#metoo/pick yr "online movement". Cuz those complaints all boil down to "I liked it better when I didn't have to listen to other people". Social media has lowered the bar to the effort required for an audience to provide feedback, so now it's out there. Get over it.

sad to SEE

xp

I turned this off in anger the other night, about the same time as ums

take the opposite view tbh xp

topics and views expressed are whatever, the shit isnt funny or clever

did a rapping Irishman just son Dave CHappelle in an online beef

if thats what the discourse dictates happened i cant fight that

you otm tho

for a guy who leans so hard into the whole above it all macho-comedian-as-philosopher-truthteller persona he really seems to get mad abt twitter stuff a lot

macho? that doesn't seem right

So if we, the Netflix viewers, don't like what he says on Netflix, that's our fault ("you clicked on my face"). But he, a HBO viewer didn't like what HBO said about Michael Jackson, and that HBO's fault? Like, "I felt like HBO was sticking baby dicks in my ear for four hours straight", and "I don't want to know all these things". So, audience feedback is only valid if the audience member is also a performer?

I should point out that that's not really a serious question, but yeah, like a lot of others, I made it about 15 minutes into this and couldn't stomach any more. I'm sure Chapelle is really upset to have lost my custom.

otm it's always such a bad faith argument

macho? that doesn't seem right

really? so much of his thing now is complaining about how women & gay ppl should stfu while wearing weird military-style jumpsuits, definitely a lot of weird macho energy in his persona imo

macho is surely understood as a mode of delivery

crank, sure

...he weightlifts and almost never acts goofy, which had been big part of his comedic schtick

def hes gone more "dad of teenagers", tbh ive not seen him with his top off

...he weightlifts and almost never acts goofy, which had been big part of his comedic schtick

he'd be funnier if he changed his physical form in a way that I find more appealing

how long into this does he get into having a go at those damn "trannies"?