US Politics January 2018: "You All Just Got A Lot Richer"

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I agree with smashing the GOP in November 2018 and to tie Trump and the GOP together -- a task made easier in the last few weeks, I might add. But you won't kill the party.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link

Not with that attitude

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link

Hey, has anyone done a taxonomy of Fire and Fury vs. The Power and the Glory vs. The Sound and the Fury vs. Blood and Soil?

I think The Sound and the Fury is the one that features an idiot man-child, and is otherwise full of virulent racism and inappropriate sexual desires.

failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

the fire and the fury is the theme song to "the wire". "the power and the glory" is a prog-rock concept album about richard nixon by gentle giant (their best album). i don't know about those other two.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link

btw if i was too subtle, i posted a dl link way back upthread with an gratis epub copy of fire and fury for those of you curious to browse and discard

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link

i know most of the time ILX frowns on that kinda activity but if there were ever a case where it seemed appropriate, this is it
i don't wanna enrich ANY of the players in this game

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/fire-and-fury-is-a-book-all-too-worthy-of-the-president/

The President of the United States is a deranged liar who surrounds himself with sycophants. He is also functionally illiterate and intellectually unsound. He is manifestly unfit for the job. Who knew? Everybody did.

So why has a poorly written book containing this information, padded with much tedious detail, become an overnight sensation, a runaway best-seller, and the topic of every other political column, podcast, and dinner conversation? It seems we are in bigger trouble with reality perception than we might have realized.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link

it would be a little ironic if a president who doesn't read is ultimately taken down by a book. i doubt it'll hurt him too much, though. i haven't checked in on the conservosphere but i'm assuming that they're convincing themselves that nothing in the book is real

Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link

if this is all some kind of next level put-on orchestrated by bannon then shame on me for falling for it but damn this is addictive reading, just one obnoxious anecdote after another. for real this book is making trump somewhat sympathetic, like a lovable silver spoon cad protagonist in an adam sandler or chris farley (RIP!) movie (who don't get me wrong never in a million years would i vote for, nor do i approve of adam sandler, just recognizing that there is an appeal there that isn't entirely false consciousness / greed). the disdain real billionaires and everyone really who knows him has me -- god save my soul -- sort of rooting for him in a way i never have before

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link

btw if i was too subtle, i posted a dl link way back upthread with an gratis epub copy of fire and fury for those of you curious to browse and discard


fyi i downloaded this, read it for verification purposes, then reported u to the fbi

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link

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bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link

the disdain real billionaires and everyone really who knows him has me -- god save my soul -- sort of rooting for him in a way i never have before

the shocking twist that no one could have expected in 2018!

Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link

it's like rodney dangerfield is back from the dead to assume the presidency

He was the winner and now expected to be the object of awe, fascination, and favor. He expected this to be binary: a hostile media would turn into a fannish
one.

And yet here he was, the winner who was treated with horror and depredations by a media that in the past, as a matter of course and protocol, could be depended on to shower lavish deference on an incoming president no matter who he was. (Trump’s shortfall of three million votes continued to rankle
and was a subject best avoided.) It was nearly incomprehensible to him that the same people — that is, the media — who had violently criticized him for saying he might dispute the election result were now calling him illegitimate.

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link

Who knew? Everybody did.

This is both untrue and smugly superior. If everybody knew this the world would look different than it does today. This is the writing of a person in an information bubble, within which everyone does know Trump is manifestly unfit. The writer fails to recognize there are more than 300 million Americans and at least 50 million of them are actively supportive of Trump and perhaps another 100 million are only vaguely aware of his words and actions.

So why has a poorly written book containing this information, padded with much tedious detail, become an overnight sensation

Simple answer: hope that maybe by breathlessly reporting all the most horrific details from the book, they will penetrate the minds of a few million more citizens, and convince them of what the writer seems to think "everybody knows".

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link

a racist sexually predatory rodney dangerfield who's probably the biggest traitor in american history, if not the anti-christ, that is

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link

the disdain real billionaires and everyone really who knows him has me -- god save my soul -- sort of rooting for him in a way i never have before

the shocking twist that no one could have expected in 2018!

― Karl Malone, Sunday, January 7, 2018 2:57 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A Presidency of Dunces

porg and bess (voodoo chili), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link

doubtful that donald j. trump is as big a boethius fan as ingnatius j. reilly

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link

I find myself feeling the Obama years to have been a wasted opportunity to turn against the right. Healthcare coverage was expanded without changing its delivery through employment and private insurance companies, the things that make the healthcare system so hated. This protected those who work in the industry, it was a conservative move. Since keeping what people hate makes people hate you, the country now has an “outsider“ for president. Obama was elected as an outsider (yes, I know that you all know he wasn’t one). Why trust another Dem to change the hated system? Dems are boring, they fix little things while shitty things stay shitty or get shittier. This moron is president because people want excitement, “change” I guess. I know this is all obvious but I’ve been wanting to say something about why I’m so pessimistic about the USA.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link

I think people were pretty upset about the possibility of GOP repealing Obamacare. Like, doing so would adversely effect their lives in a significant way. It’s good to cover people with pre-existing conditions imo.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link

trump provides a unique opportunity to smash the republican party ideologically, and i believe that smashing the republican party ideologically is more important than getting trump himself out of office. because at the end of the day trump is symptomatic of a tendency towards uncompromising political cruelty. so for the democrats to attempt to sell people the lie that you can be a republican without being a trumpist, to try and salvage the dregs of the party, is ultimately for them to sign their own death warrant.

^tend to agree and it's why even if Dems retake congress in 2018 (which i honestly don't think they will) i actually hope they don't impeach him. Pence is worse and the GOP's fealty to Trump and his unique brand of dysfunction is a great punching bag

not that i have any illusions about the GOP being "destroyed" or establishment Ds pulling back from their neolib fuckery

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link

The Fake News Awards, those going to the most corrupt & biased of the Mainstream Media, will be presented to the losers on Wednesday, January 17th, rather than this coming Monday. The interest in, and importance of, these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link

I’m amazed people still do the “I’m actually more scared of Pence” thing given the whole openly threatening nuclear war stuff. Also (I don’t think it will happen either) but the circumstance of Pence becoming president due to a Trump impeachment would leave him and the GOP in a very weakened state. That might have something to do with why the GOP is talking about purging the FBI and stuff like that, essentially in lock step to do anything they can to prevent it instead of just...you know...letting the Pence presidency happen.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link

i'd be satisfied with the Dems taking one house of congress, ideally the senate, and just being able to freeze up the express train of garbage policy and appointments. plus there would then be at least one fully-functioning russia investigation whatever trump does.

Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link

The pump is kind of primed for Pence being a 21st Century Gerald Ford.

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link

Also, rmde at a sitting US President expending energy and attention to a bullshit awards thing of their own design on Twitter.

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link

it's not that i'm more scared of Pence, more that a solid majority's revulsion when it comes to Trump is pretty much the only thing the Dem party has going for it

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link

Postponing the FNAs when he could so easily have been done with them in a couple tweets tomorrow night. Now I expect award statues.

jmm, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link

The Dems are much more likely to take the House :( The nightmare scenario is another Supreme Court Seat opening, fingers crossed.

Everyone hates the regular GOP party as well, that's why Trump could take it over. The difference between Trump and Pence is that while they're both widely hated, Trump has a hardcore personality cult that Pence lacks. No way Pence wins in 2020, which I honestly can still see Trump doing.

Frederik B, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link

I was watching Dawson City: Frozen time last night. There is a bit where you a see a pic of the saloon/brothel that was opened by Trump's granddad during the gold rush. The language in the advert for it went something like: We are the newest and best in town and here to stay. I might not be doing it justice here, but it struck me as very Trump-like language at the time. But arrogant arseholes beget arrogant arseholes etc..

calzino, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link

The pump is kind of primed for Pence being a 21st Century Gerald Ford.

Ironic that DJT coined this very phrase, or so I heard.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link

^tend to agree and it's why even if Dems retake congress in 2018 (which i honestly don't think they will) i actually hope they don't impeach him. Pence is worse and the GOP's fealty to Trump and his unique brand of dysfunction is a great punching bag

not that i have any illusions about the GOP being "destroyed" or establishment Ds pulling back from their neolib fuckery

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will)

see, i can't talk about this stuff without moving into prognostication mode, which after 2016 i'm significantly more loath to do, but some general observations:

1. it's pretty much impossible to say right now how robust neoliberalism is as an ideology. all the institutions which are being wrecked by trumpism are the institutions which were most heavily invested in the maintenance of the neoliberal consensus. these institutions will continue to exist and will continue to advocate for neoliberal policy... but will it matter? neoliberalism continues to be strongly tied to clinton, who is as reviled as she ever was.

2. 2018... one of the paradoxes of democracy is that the easiest way to undermine it is to create the impression that elections aren't fair/free and/or don't matter. it's pretty difficult not to have one of those impressions these days. at that point all discourse is simply deciding on the form of the destroyer. a lot of things remain possible right now, even if some of the possibilities that existed in january 2017 have been closed off, but again, the short-term effects of the wholesale demoralization and disengagement of large swaths of the republican base should not be discounted.

3. impeachment is one of the greatest challenges to the democratic party right now and will, i think, remain a strong point of contention. one of the, in retrospect, stupidest things the democratic mainstream did in 2016 was to respond to trump's show-trial baiting with a strongly worded denunciation of the corrosive effect to democracy of trying your political opponents. the principle doesn't hold when you're running against literal criminals, guys.

there will, i predict, a strong centrist belief that an impeachment trial should not be seen as _political_, in deliberate ignorance of the long-established principle that impeachment is, by design and by its nature, political in nature. i don't give a shit if impeachment happens or not, but _somebody_ needs to be finally held responsible for this horseshit. i am hereby announcing my intent to come down hard on any talk of "healing" or "forgiveness" that doesn't include anybody being held responsible for this goddamn nightmare.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

He bumped the Fake News Awards!?! Wow, bummer. I guess that makes room for a couple more weeks of competition! You can do it, CNN!!!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link

it's not that i'm more scared of Pence, more that a solid majority's revulsion when it comes to Trump is pretty much the only thing the Dem party has going for it

― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will)

Not having a presidential race frontrunner is not the same as not having an agenda. Doug Jones had one. The Virginia legislature candidates had one.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link

🐦[The Fake News Awards, those going to the most corrupt & biased of the Mainstream Media, will be presented to the losers on Wednesday, January 17th, rather than this coming Monday. The interest in, and importance of, these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018🕸]🐦


wait, the awards will be presented to the losers? that’s not how awards work iirc

pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link

Prez has definitely been relieved of tweet duty. There is no way this new syntactic complexity is forming under that surgically reduced scalp.

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link

also, Hope Hicks or whoever you are, no one was anticipating the president would be giving out awards. No one was anticipating any of this.

Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link

"I completely forgot I even posted this thing and now people are talking about it so I better make some shit up quick"

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link

"Bring on The Redundies, or The Reductees, or whatever the fuck we're callin' these things..."

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link

wait, the awards will be presented to the losers? that’s not how awards work iirc

What about The Biggest Loser!?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link

Or the Razzies! Either way, I'm in. Who is presenting? What will they be wearing? Who is performing? What network will it be on!?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link

New Axios newsletter gives me some relief, in that the idiot is apparently spending less and less time actually presidenting:

1 big thing: Scoop: Trump's secret, shrinking schedule

President Trump is starting his official day much later than he did in the early days of his presidency, often around 11am, and holding far fewer meetings, according to copies of his private schedule shown to Axios. This is largely to meet Trump’s demands for more “Executive Time,” which almost always means TV and Twitter time alone in the residence, officials tell us.

The schedules shown to me are different than the sanitized ones released to the media and public.

The schedule says Trump has "Executive Time" in the Oval Office every day from 8am to 11am, but the reality is he spends that time in his residence, watching TV, making phone calls and tweeting. Trump comes down for his first meeting of the day, which is often an intelligence briefing, at 11am.

That's far later than George W. Bush, who typically arrived in the Oval by 6:45am. Obama worked out first thing in the morning and usually got into the Oval between 9 and 10am, according to a former senior aide.

Trump's days in the Oval Office are relatively short – from around 11am to 6pm, then he's back to the residence. During that time he usually has a meeting or two, but spends a good deal of time making phone calls and watching cable news in the dining room adjoining the Oval. Then he's back to the residence for more phone calls and more TV. Take these random examples from this week's real schedule:

On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has "Executive Time" for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it's another 1 hour 15 minutes of "Executive Time" followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of "Executive Time" before Trump takes his last meeting of the day — a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano — before ending his official day at 4:15pm.
Other days are fairly similar, unless the president is traveling, in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week, for example, the president meets at 11am for his intelligence briefing, then has "Executive Time" until a 2pm meeting with the Norwegian Prime Minister. His last official duty: a video recording with Hope Hicks at 4pm.
On Thursday, the president has an especially light schedule: "Policy Time" at 11am, then "Executive Time" at 12pm, then lunch for an hour, then more "Executive Time" from 1:30pm.
Trump's schedule wasn't always like this. In the earliest days of the Trump administration it began earlier and ended later. Trump would have breakfast meetings (e.g. hosting business leaders in the Roosevelt Room). He didn't like the longer official schedule and pushed for later starts. The morning intelligence briefing ended up settling around 10:30am.

Aides say Trump is always doing something — he's a whirl of activity and some aides wish he would sleep more — but his time in the residence is unstructured and undisciplined. He's calling people, watching TV, tweeting, and generally taking the same loose, improvisational approach to being president that he took to running the Trump Organization for so many years. Old habits die hard.

In response to this article, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote:

"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 8 January 2018 00:56 (six years ago) link

clinton, who is as reviled as she ever was

A reminder that Hillary Clinton was the most popular politician in the US in 2013, and by a considerable margin.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link

In response to this article, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote:

"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."

ma'am, you're basically insulting him to his face at this point. i understand he doesn't know that. i understand it's impossible to defend this cretin. but would it kill you to, and god i hate myself for saying this, would it kill you to be a little more ron ziegler-esque?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link

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i found this top torrents list amusing for about 10 seconds!

calzino, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link

Ooh - Shape of Water is up?!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:11 (six years ago) link

bah, wake me when top knot detective leaks

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link

Executive time
Residence time
Circle time
Story time
Nap time
Snack time
Play time

marcos, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link

Hammer time!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:25 (six years ago) link

and yet no quiet time. funny that

maura, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link

Reagan's White House schedule was pretty gross too: "personal time" was basically "nap time."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link


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