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Actually, I like the cassette version of Love's Secret Domain a little better than the CD, but maybe because I got used to that first. (It's shorter, the track order is different, and I think I remember that there are some changes in what some of the tracks sound like.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheers for the Mp3's, RS! I'll give them a proper spin and report back. Thanky!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Love's Secret Domain is classic, but don't expect the rest of it to really compare to the drama of the title track.. I just realized the other day that a friend and I have been quoting the spoken word off "Things Happen" at each other for a DECADE now.

"Baby, do you have a light? What's it like in Ohio?"

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you get all four, Alex?

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Got all four of'em, RS, yes. Thanks again! I'm at the office at the mo', so I cannot listen to them just yet, but will do later this evening and post my reactions.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i am slowly working my way through some of the hoarier stretches of back catalogue of andrew weatherall label affiliates.

i know weatherall released on p-orridge track under the name PT001 on a sabres of paradise compilation.

now i run across this on nina walsh's sabrettes label.

http://music.hyperreal.org/flightpath/label/sabrettes/images/sr025.jpg

this is sabrettes 025 : POD's "gestator EP". there is another EP by POD, called "PODville", and a few tracks compiled on a sabrettes compilation ("mollusk" and "geodesic")

discogs.com claims this POD is kenny larkin, but i am like "uhuhnoway" because the whole deal is absolutely undetroitish, totally british in attitude.

so my question is: is anybody familiar enough with genesis' pierced cock to make a positive ID based on that label?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 28 April 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I just lost my appetite.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

also i am kinda feeling the dj doktor megatrip material and kooky scientist (fred gianelli) is obv great. so is this acid tekno beat release recommended?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought you were made of sterner stuff, alex

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

vahid, how about if I just send you my CD copy? (Seriously. I will mail this to you, if you send me an address.) I don't think Fred Gianelli had anything to do with it though. I don't think he'd even hooked up with Psychic TV at that point.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(Mine is a Wax Trax twofer)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha it's that good?? BTW at first i was sort of surprised to see you were a TG fan, but on 2nd thought, i guess i'm not.

not liking TG = not liking life.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't really make much sense, and I'm not much of a fan anymore. I'm more of an x-fan (definitely more of an X-fan when it comes to PTV).

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, your equation is crazy! But they have their moments.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, vahid, there's almost know acid house or techno that I like (including solo Fred) so just because I don't like this doesn't mean you won't either. Although a lot of acid house and techno fans hate it.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 28 April 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Listening now....

"Godstar" -- surprisingly hooky and poppy. Genesis will never win any awards for his/her vocals. Interesting, but not life chaning.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Just Like Arcadia" goes together fairly well with that one.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"Twisted" -- Much more like it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Enjoying "Just Like Arcadia".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 April 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I just realized tonight it's got one riff (rifflet?) or whatever that sounds a little like "Tainted Love."

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the text in "Moonchilde" is just the little manifesto you have at the end of "Force Thee Hand of Chance" translated into Catalan.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

First thing I thought when I saw that shot of Gen was, 'Man, Meg Ryan's looking rough.'

Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 29 April 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
So does anyone else wish that Fred Gianelli would spend more time playing guitar (and recording it)? Probably not.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 10 October 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

You've heard of Fred's solo band Turning Shrines, yes? One album and an EP on Temple Records, IIRC. He was also the person responsible for signing Tiny Lights to Temple.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Genesis P-orridge & Thee Majesty just put out a cool album on Villa Magica (.com) here in Geneva, called "Mary Never Wanted Jesus". Track 4 is a cover of Neil Young's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart", rearranged by Fred Giannelli who also plays on it.

blunt (blunt), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Godstar" -- surprisingly hooky and poppy. Genesis will never win any awards for his/her vocals. Interesting, but not life chaning.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), April 29th, 2005 12:48 PM.

Search out PTV's 'Roman P.'

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 10 October 2005 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I just listened to the double LP version of Those Who Do Not for the first time in at least ten years tonight. It's held up pretty well. Some of it is apparently on the Live In Reykjavik album but I don't have it so I can't compare. Definitely a Search.

Also Search:

PTV - Dreams Less Sweet, Unclean 12", NY Scum Haters live LP (w/Sleazy and John Gosling), Roman P. EP, and I like some of Infinite Beat. Their 7" on Sordide Sentimentale is super excellent as well.

TG - All four studio LPs, Journey Through A Body LP, Very Friendly LP for the studio stuff. Rafters, Thee Psychick Sacrifice (double LP version), and Mission Of Dead Souls for the live fix (haven't heard those Mute CDs).

Coil - Well, I love it all, but the two Musick To Play In The Dark CDs are ace. Also Moon's Milk and the live discs. After that I'd go early (Scatology, Horse Rotorvator, Gold Is The Metal) and then pick up the Unnatural History CDs. After THAT I might get L.S.D. or the more out there stuff (Glitch, Time Machines, Stolen And Contaminated). The Black Light District album is great too.

Chris/Cosey/CTI/Carter/Tutti - My very favorite is the CTI live LP European Rendezvous, the live record Elemental 7 is also superb. For straight Chris & Cosey I'd do Trance, Techno Primitiv, and the recent live CD Union. The Collectiv One CD has a good Carter solo and two killer 12" records - unfortunately not the one with Annie Lennox though! Heartbeat is good too.

DESTROY:

PTV - That godawful live disc that Sordide Sentimentale put out. All these lame new greatest hits and remixes things. Maybe half of the live series. I don't really like Allegory And Self much either. Love War Riot? Ick.

TG - I feel like even the less interesting live TG is still interesting, so the only destroy I'd mention are the dubious posthumous releases: Grief, Kreeme Horn, and a couple of others on the Dossier label I think. Avoid.

Coil - I refuse to relate the concept of "destroy" to "Coil". However, I can see how The Snow EP would fail to move some of the more stonehearted, and the ANS series is a bit, uh, static. Astral Disaster is a hard sell too.

Chris & Cosey - God I hate that Exotika/Take Five crap. There are numerous bad records that followed it, I'd destroy all the Nettwerk stuff. The music they have been making lately is quite worth checking out though.

That was fun.


sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone hear the new COIL (or, I should say, the newly released final COIL album), The Ape of Naples?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Grief!

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the rough-edge psychedelia of it all, and I like the ridiculous interviewers.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I have not heard Ape Of Naples and want to very badly. I'll probably order it from them on Friday.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
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Piannerionist0, Saturday, 6 May 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Psychic TV on tour. Anyone seen them in recent years?

Reatards Unite, Thursday, 27 September 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

There are eight million Throbbing Gristle threads. Might as well revive this one because:

1) There are full reissues of the original TG albums due with bonus tracks etc. in the next few weeks.

2) I'm lucky enough to have advance copies. And they look GOOOOOD.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 November 2011 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

already noted here:

Throbbing Gristle: RFI

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 4 November 2011 08:46 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

Never seen this before: Recording Heathen Earth

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 21 July 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

I guess I was never a very good fan.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 21 July 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Interesting interview with Coum Transmissions member, Foxtrot Echo

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 November 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

i was very very tempted to buy the "wreckers of civilisation" book last night, but the 32 dollar price tag scared me off.
― jess, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (12 years ago)

starting at $123 on amazon

the late great, Friday, 27 February 2015 05:56 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

Just spent an excellent 2 hours talking to an OG Coum Transmissions guy. Details to follow, maybe.

Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link

I'm all ears... or eyes whatever.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link

yes please

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link

That's a coincidence. Just came home from seeing Psychic TV tonight, in Oslo.

They ripped.

Mule, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link

in brief: terrifying The Man was pretty easy in 1970s England, all related parties were sweet cuddly people who continued to be so throughout their careers, Hawkwind fans used to be less tolerant than you'd think they ought to be, Wreckers of Civilization is well worth the read

Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Just seen a new edition of Wreckers of Civilisation listed on Amazon for August. Anybody know anything about that?
Have been hoping that Cosey's memoir might prompt a new edition.

Stevolende, Monday, 8 May 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link

there was supposed to be a repress in nov 2015 that amazon took my money for and eventually refunded. so i am skeptical. but would be awesome if it happened.

the late great, Monday, 8 May 2017 04:12 (seven years ago) link

Appears to be legit, probably a straight reprint with no new material:

https://black-dog-publishing.myshopify.com/products/wreckers-of-civilisation

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 8 May 2017 04:39 (seven years ago) link

Shame about the no new material if that's true. I thought there had been so9me significant events since it was originally published, band reforming shortly, sleazy dying, back catalogue being remastered etc.
But have regretted not having got it before.

Stevolende, Monday, 8 May 2017 08:36 (seven years ago) link

Having read Cosey's book, the criticism that Wreckers was overly Gencentric seems valid.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2017 08:40 (seven years ago) link


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