thread to dis hyped releases that you don't get/don't like/wanna complain about

I buy that, even seeing a live clip from awhile back gave that sense.

iirc jlin made her own samples for black origami

I still don't buy this, although I guess it depends on the definition of what makes a sample your own. And I'm mostly talking about the percussion anyway. It's ok, not everyone has to record their own samples. I am curious to hear that dance score that she did, it would be cool to hear what a Jlin track that's not 160bpm in 12/8 sounds like.

Late great , that assumption is wrong in my case

duly noted

fwiw ppl in chicago dont really see her stuff as 'footwork' any more, its def more of a hybridization thing

(i quite like it)

I adore Jlin and the album will be very very high on my list (fuck, it might even win it), but I kind of agree with people that it's not that "futuristic" or "experimental". The techniques and stylisation aren't super new, they just sound fucking awesome.

I probably should stay away from this thread, though, b/c it'll just bum me out.

xp deej is footwork still a going concern in chicago? or are the kids onto some new trend?

its fallen off as a super popular thing basically as rap music started to rise, but there are def people who still hold onto it & do events at schools and shit like that

seem to remember that 'experimental' was suggested by jlin herself as an alternative to 'footwork', but if neither of those are any good then what the heck do you call this music? two things i'd say to the haterz tho: spotify + earbuds or whatever don't really do justice to this record, and also it's the last songs on the album that are the real bangers imo, especially 1%: "you're all going to die here"

oh fuck i screwed up the quote already

1% is def placing well on my tracks ballot

it would be cool to hear what a Jlin track that's not 160bpm in 12/8 sounds like.

she has several tracks that are around 120bpm.

all the stuff i really hate is so niche it feels too mean to shit on it. but there's some real stinkers out there getting undeserved praise

nah, you should go all friedrich niche and denounce these recondite idols

they don't deserve the esteem of upwards of ten blogs!

srsly

bring it on

ogmor bile is amongst the more restoratively potent on ilx atm

it's actually extremely overrated and superficial

superficiality of bile is one of its more refined characteristics. a connoisseur can really pick it out and appreciate it

anyhow until I am more reliably informed I am going to assume ogmor is being so crass as to inwardly impugn kasabian

vote gabor lazar this year for your "sounds like cd skipping" needs

― brimstead, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:19 PM (three days ago)

Isn't that like, all gabor lazar output? ...

so? vote for him, his stuff rules

i don't know anybody else besides mark fell who does that SSRI withdrawal brain zap sound that's like a deep brain massage

st vincent is so, so terrible now. and i liked her before, a bit

Yep

Good god, the Equiknoxx album is awful. I’m not sure of the last time I was so consistently annoyed by a record. Dancehall with all the reasons people like dancehall stripped out is not a promising concept to begin with but it surely doesn’t have to sound like an Ableton Live abandoned sketches folder.

Re: top 77 tracks

Poptimism needs to die, it's been going on for too long. Pop neutrality is the only reasonable attitude.

xp I like it. I like them. I like their productions with and without vocals. Colon Man is admittedly a bit less fun than Bird Sound Power. The albums work as DJ tools for me (to get an mv to work with) or as an avantgarde extension of dancehall that you can mix into other styles. Do people feel the same about dub music etc?

I didn't see that much outre poptimism in this year's tracks poll? much less than normal in fact seeing as Lex wasn't around to complain about the rock songs

What are nos. 1-4 then? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the term.

I've given up on even trying to like the stuff in the tracks polls

kind of agree - completely boilerplate efforts from CRJ, Selena Gomez (it's basically The Wire by Haim) and Charli XCX got rewarded (the Dua Lipa seemed to have a bit more going on). it was imo a disappointing ending to an otherwise good tracks poll. but otoh those were undeniably big hits from ilx-adjacent artists, so it would have been weird if they hadn't shown up high. i guess we just live with it

xp they're pop songs but this isn't uncommon for the tracks poll and the rest of the poll reflects a huge diversity. other than the CRJ track, I'm not fussed about those records but I don't believe people voted for them to take some sort of stand or prove a point. they voted for them because they liked the songs

nope wrong its gotta be "poptimism"

good grief

2018

Ugh. Those songs are pedestrian as fuck, definitely not top 5 material, especially in light of the quality stuff that made the poll. Raise your standards.

(I thought this was the right thread for this kind of real talk?)

i wouldn't have voted for those songs i liked if not for that damn poptimism forcing me to!

REAL TALK

I'll save my fatalism for the other discussions.

complaining about poptimism in 2018 is the ILM equivalent of moaning about hipsters with their dubstep and their skinny jeans and their ringtones. It's not like it doesn't exist exactly, but it's hardly a going concern and the argument was done to death at least ten years ago

Overexposure of formulaic shit with little to no musical content – it's all about the image – is a tragic problem in an age of unprecedented stylistic hybridity and variety that barely anyone takes advantage of.

image is good! image is silent!

xxp
idk DL, 2018 *may* just be the right time for a counter revolution. Many of the Poptimists are after all parents now. Aren't you supposed to rebel against them? Can't see this board as the fulcrum though, especially if your best argument is "it's formulaic". (I kind of like "does not contain enough music" as a potential hill on which to plant your banner though. A movement of Neo-Mozarts railing against the charts by shouting "not enough notes" would be fun to watch.)

hai ;)

like any true ideology poptimism is the shades you don't know yr wearing.

What about the 'poptimism reinforces conformity' argument? You simply ignored that one. There has never been as much music as there is now yet we favour discussing the same limited palette of sounds, vocal styles and structures over and over again – there's very little to differentiate ILM's top 4 tracks when set against the broader background of genres and even sub-genres the rest of the poll exhibits. Odd how we consistently return to the same two or three focal points even when offered unparalleled diversity. I've said this before, but I get the sense that the cultural discourse surrounding music is ultimately more interesting to people (perhaps especially ILMers) than the music itself, which is why pop rules supreme: it's prime fodder for the cultural studies paradigm. Beyond the surface politics of it, however, there's very little going on most of the time.

Just to preempt, I'm not advocating for a return to rockism, which is equally dumb, albeit for different reasons.

What I want is a real level playing field, i.e. true neutrality, wherein every single genre and – in a more utopian sense – artist is given a fair shake. We now have the tools for it, at least in theory.

In an ideal world, every ILM poll voter would listen to every nominated track and album, and judge them all along the same subjective lines. I mean, I *try* to do something approaching that myself. But in practice it's impossible and the Carly will always rise to the top, because Team Carly

We aspies will ever rail against it, but this is How It Is. We must simply look between the lines for scraps of unusual excellence. Did you like Akrakabo? If so, the poll did its job

that ultimately comes down to exposure which isn't really easy to solve, would be nice though. did listen to a lot of nominated tracks that were new to me but still ended up voting for CRJ because it's a very enjoyable pop song (if uninteresting but i've yet to grow tired of her)

i like 3/4 of the top 4 but do find them a bit underwhelming as a top 4. it's not hard to understand why they'd end up as the top 4 in a year like this without a few overwhelming board favourites like there usually are though