Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

he discusses it here in this interview from '04, make of it what you will

https://www.avclub.com/modest-mouse-1798208359#

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...'treeship types'?

Caitlin Flanagan is not a feminist for Christ’s sake

caitlin flanagan has been horrible since i first became aware of her probably around 15 years ago? iirc she got her job writing for the atlantic when she charmed someone at a dinner party. she is a world class asshole.

i agree with whoever said upthread that we all need to be part of the solution and communicate our desires/needs/wishes much more clearly and unambiguously.
this is why i wondered recently whether people are reassessing erica jong/fear of flying and the so-called "zipless fuck"

Friends is on........ NETFLIX!

binge on relevant cord cutting youngsters

I see tokyo rosemary and others covered Caitlin Flanagan’s bullshit upthread. sorry, I just flipped out at “Caitlin Flanagan is a feminist” because words mean things. and I have hated her for years

Really can’t relate to the concerns that accusations of harassment have gone too far, and that is probably the most neutral thing I can say about that.

i agree with whoever said upthread that we all need to be part of the solution and communicate our desires/needs/wishes much more clearly and unambiguously.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, January 15, 2018 4:57 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a good part of the solution also resides in the responsibility to listen what the other person communicates also? taking a recent example, this is exactly what Ansari did not do.

I apologize for what I said about Flanagan. I didn't
know what I was talking about. Xps

Each person should make sure their partner is horny as F and asking for it, verbally and with their open, aware eyes, before things are stuck anywhere (to include fingers down the throat).

a good part of the solution also resides in the responsibility to listen what the other person communicates also? taking a recent example, this is exactly what Ansari did not do.
of course

feel like a lot of 80s and 90s teen movies seemed to reward the guy who just "went for it" which I think has warped a lot of men's brains in the long run

80s movies are rife with sexual assault presented as victory

Ned RT'd a good twitter thread this morning on that exact subject

we all said stuff about that weeks ago on this exact thread

ya there's one scene in Revenge of the Nerds which is basically straight up rape but is played as a victory for the nerds and a hearty chuckle for the audience

I remember at 11 being like, "hmmm, that doesn't seem right....but if it's in a movie...if she's okay with it, I guess..."

movies didn't do anyone any educational favors -- especially considering the lack of realistic and useful sex education elsewhere
idk where people look for examples today but i can't think of a single satisfying example i found when i was young and learning about this stuff for the first time

nothing to fear, kids today just browse around youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxiZjayyZg

it's telling how these writers didn't wait for a provably false accusation before declaring that it's all gone too far. the backlash didn't even wait for, like, a famous man to suffer legal consequences for sexual assault

i don't even want to unpack whatever that video is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

https://elladawson.com/2017/12/09/bad-sex-or-the-sex-we-dont-want-but-have-anyway/

This piece came out in response to Cat Person, but it gets to the heart of the Aziz Ansari situation better than any of the recent thinkpieces on either side of the argument imo.

Landis seems to have gone silent in the last month. No Twitter activity or statements about the allegations. I wonder if he thinks he can wait it out.

― jmm, Monday, January 15, 2018 3:08 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did specific allegations ever come out? I was confused about this one.

xpost Thanks, Roz - hadn't seen that and really appreciate it.

I'm wondering if after this winter we'll start establishing very set, specific language and rituals to give green, yellow, and red lights with sex.

Bad sex is the result of a society that makes discussing pleasure, desire and consent impossible. In the US, we do not teach young people how to enjoy sex. We don’t teach them how to talk about sex before, during or after. We don’t teach people how to say no, and we don’t teach them how to say yes.

Another take, re: Ansari:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity

this is p good

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/01/13/ladies-lets-be-reasonable-about-metoo-or-nothing-will-ever-be-sexy-again/

I'm paywalled, is that one ironic or sincere

Enough is enough, I say, and mean. I read something by a French person that said “ONE DAY MORE,” and that is what I think men deserve. Let us return to business as usual now, before any more valuable masculine careers are damaged. There is nothing brave about any of this speaking out. It is just a mob. No one criticizes or threatens women who speak in public, certainly not myself, right now.

so it's serious

^^ Kind of B-level Borowitz/Keillor.

aw it's better than that

not really

Alexandra Petri is usually funnier than that but you're allowed to be less funny when you're angry

(full disclosure I competed against Alexandra Petri in Washington DC area quiz bowl competitions on several occasions circa 2004-2007)

I really liked the Jill Filipovic piece in the Guardian that pomenitul posted

I did think that Raven Symone's appearance on Master Of None episode about the sexual harasser seemed like an attempt to improve her image too.

You guys realize tv shows are not the singular product of their stars, right

Like, these are collaborative things. I don’t really think there’s tons to be gleaned from picking apart how his show was put together

they have some woke catering tho

Ned shared this on twitter & it’s quite a read.
I always knew it could be gross but it’s awful
to see it laid out so plainly :(

https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/inside-country-radios-secret-history-of-sexual-harassment-w515439

You guys realize tv shows are not the singular product of their stars, right

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:48 AM (one hour ago)

Like, these are collaborative things. I don’t really think there’s tons to be gleaned from picking apart how his show was put together

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:49 AM (one hour ago)

who are you addressing

(and, though I similarly don't see that it's a fruitful line in this thread, since you brought it up: which show are you talking about that Aziz acts in and is not the co-creator, executive producer, co-showrunner, primary writer and sometimes director of?)

[there are 39 teleplay credits for Master Of None across 20 episodes; Aziz has 18, Yang has 15. He's directed 30% of the episodes.]

That NYT op-ed is such trash

ya Master of None was just as much of an 'auteur' show as Louis C.K.'s thing

Good (as usual) piece by Julianne Escobedo Shepherd:
https://jezebel.com/babe-what-are-you-doing-1822114753?rev=1516127284762

^^ That Shepherd piece is excellent:

Reporting on sexual violence and misconduct is an incredibly delicate undertaking that requires a working understanding about how best to do it. At its most basic level, this means that reporters must be careful not to re-traumatize subjects, which includes consideration of the ways that their reports will be received

...gets to the weird grodiness of the Babe article - exploiting trauma rather than reporting on it.

Yeah that definitely does agood job of expanding on misgivings abt the babe piece expressed upthread

The Babe piece is so surreal. It's a piece of gossip that they expanded during conversation. I hate it so much because it's making men all over be total assholes and terrible in all the ways they supposedly are against. I am still super bothered by the completely immature wine critique.

Shepherd piece is great, best point of access to this particular branch of the story imo

hoo boy i made a real mistake scrolling down to the comments on that jezebel piece

people are so cruel