Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

can it be radically conservative at least?

philosophically i guess i might rephrase it as "nobody has the individual moral right to continue to live". i think this is a conservative argument because it has parallels to the doctrine of fundamental moral depravity preached by many christians, though i don't necessarily frame my belief from a christian perspective.

I think it's coherent to believe and behave as if everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices but I don't think it's remotely true.

― hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:42 AM (five minutes ago)

it's not, but it makes a good alternative to learned helplessness and i find applying it in my own life helps me focus on those choices i can make rather than the things i don't have a choice in.

i think the difference (or total lack of difference, depending on your point of view) between what it's useful to believe yourself when making decisions and how to treat & judge other people after they've made their decisions/life has happened to them is a key liberal-conservative point of distinction

I can totally see it as a counter to learned helplessness but there has to be a Third Way

let me rephrase it like this: if anybody is responsible for what happens to me, it's me, and whether or not something that happens to me is fair or a result of free choice, i have to accept the consequences. if i have a panic attack and i blow up at somebody and i get fired from my job as a result of that, you know, there's no point in spending a lot of time feeling guilty over my actions because it wasn't something i had a whole lot of control over. of course i'm still going to feel guilty because people have emotions but it's not something i go out of my way to feed. at the same time it's important for me to not say "well there's clearly no point in me going out and looking for work because at any time i could have another panic attack and fuck that job up too", even though saying that would be true.

i am more judgmental of myself than i am of other people. i guess that makes me liberal?

Nothing special about 1/7000000000th of a global population why bother getting weepy about whether someone deserves to be judged or not

Besides judging ppl in 99.999% of circs has zero effect on the subject it's literally posing to judge and worse posing to get haughty about someone else judging

i am responsible for lots of things that happen to other people (sort of, as long as you don't pull at 'responsibility' too hard). i think lots of people do not accept things that happen to them and some of them do so v effectively (cf. all that gumph about how a certain degree of paranoia about outside forces can leave your ego/optimism in tact).

seems awfully judgemental to call it haughty deems, if you constituted a more significant proportion of humankind I'd be offended by such posing

But luckily, eh

pose away in blessed irrelevance, my sweet prince

*nods*

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was moving
and that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:07 PM (yesterday

finding such a relationship inappropriate is anything but conservative

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't comment specifically, but my uncool conservative belief is that I think judging individual relationships from this standpoint is inappropriate, and arrogant. I think that disparities in age/income/etc can complicate relationships, and from a zoomed-out, societal perspective they can tell us a lot about unhealthy tendencies and what we value, but I don't believe it is my place to judge an individual relationship unless I know the people personally. I think any two people can love each other

Timothy Chalment did such a good job conveying the vulnerability and uncertainty of adolescence that his character “read” in some ways as younger than 17, which sparked my discomfort, which was really just that, not some kind of edict I passed on the film. I felt uncool and conservative for feeling like that bc the person I saw the film with unreservedly loved it. (I loved it too actually — an amazing cinematic portrayal of desire, vulnerability, coming of age, beautifully shot, etc) but still there was this lingering discomfort about the age thing.

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

― Yelploaf

most people die of opioid overdoses because due to prohibition they have no idea what's in their drugs and what strength they are. we could as a society easily treat addiction as a public health issue instead of a crime issue, we don't, so lots of people die needlessly.

and addiction isn't a choice

When you live with addicts or love them it’s really hard not to be furious with them though.

oh yeah i know that haha.

from an economic perspective it seems kind of neoliberal, in that it's got these implicit assumptions about the inherent dignity of wage labour

when people say stuff like that, what kind of labour are they thinking of, as like the alternative to wage labour?

UBI, presumably

feudal labour? slave labour?

not defending this thought just guessing

professional labour or domestic labour also not considered in the same way

wiki has something on it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_labour

In modern mixed economies such as those of the OECD countries, it is currently the most common form of work arrangement. Although most labour is organised as per this structure, the wage work arrangements of CEOs, professional employees, and professional contract workers are sometimes conflated with class assignments, so that "wage labour" is considered to apply only to unskilled, semi-skilled or manual labour. Various studies have shown that employees generally spend 1.5 to 3 hours a day on non-work related activities.[3]

i don't think the idea of the dignity of (wage) labour is a distinctive feature of neoliberalism at all tho

is it the money that's icky? like, would labour exchange be ok in a pure barter economy, where i could tug you off for a loaf of bread or whatever? or is it the presence of a boss and the power dynamic implied? so independent sex workers selling labour is ok but not ones who work for someone else who deals them a cut

hand-job is at least two loaves of bread iirc

what kind of bread are we talking about

pimpernickel

Pumpernickel would have worked just fine.

See flopson’s post

I did. PUMPpernickel har har...

You get points

Pump vs pimp is a thinker

you hardly knew 'er!

(Real talk: I almost posted "cumpernickel" but stopped myself. Unnecessarily, as it turns out. Y'all went there.)

Spunkernipple

LADS

I very often don't reveal my conservative beliefs here mainly because they're p cool imo

-teens are bad
-justin trudeau is pretty good

I would say both are good, but bad

ie overall their usefulness to our worldview is positive despite the occasional and high profile drawbacks

trudeau should visit that japanese suicide forest wearing ritual seppuku attire next

-teens are bad

disagree!

the kids are alright

I also disagree

teens are, in fact, the worst

but they keep being just a little better than the last set of teens, and/or that is an important story we have to tell ourselves to imagine any hope for our species

I thought "Trudeau is good" was just a liberal as opposed to left view, not a conservative view.

Two sides of the same coin (a loony)

bc liberal party (i think flopson is referring to bc libs specifically) have quite a few former conservatives, so they're a coalition of sorts

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/b-c-liberals-hire-12-ousted-federal-and-alberta-conservatives-which-could-give-province-a-harper-tone

they're technically centre -- to the right of ndp and left of conservatives

lib is the new conservative

lib is the new conservative

― flopson, Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:38 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's true!

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.02/article/5a8ed9e0dda4c8045a8b457b.jpg

love that image, going to sending it to friends for the next 6 months at least