the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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really misses the deli-counter-colours aspect of in the original tho

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link

In so far as there's changes with the new Conservative Party Chairman / Deputy Chairman / Vice Chairmen, they may well be entirely procedural - three former MPs have spoken up in the last week saying that they won't be standing again, which means that someone's asking them, which might indicate that the tories are actually thinking about sorting out candidates early - the last minute centrally-imposed candidates at the last election not only didn't do them any good but pissed off a lot of local activists.

Which might make a difference - they did win the election after all, and their Vice Chairman for Candidates is a 37-year-old daughter of Nigerian immigrants. But there's probably only so much magic she can make, as young relevant tories are in fact complete cunts.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link

thank you: that is the correct term but clicking on that link i have somehow lost the will to pursue my quest to its terrible next stage

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10672838.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Screenshot-2017-06-22-235123.jpg

Pretty much ready to set off for Downing Street now tbh if anyone’s up for it

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link

Armagammon It

nashwan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link

Well this is timely: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/a-digital-toolkit-for-young-tories/

Matt DC, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link

that's a deliberate spoof, yes? not joking

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link

confused by seeing humour in the Spectator

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link

nope, all too real

if young tories use this toolkit to build on the astonishing success of activate uk then we might as well admit we're fucked and pack it all in

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link

Mr Lewis told the Sunday Telegraph young Tory activists would be given a digital "toolkit" of graphics, Gifs and videos to help them.

The Great Yarmouth MP said the party needed to be "very positive and proactive about outlining what we're doing in government... so we can enthuse them about being Conservative and... not just vote for us but get involved".

Mr Lewis said his focus would be on getting the party "battle ready" for the next general election and prepared for some "really difficult local elections" in May.

He added: "It's not just young people, older people are accessing their information through the digital world as well... It's important that we've got to engage through that medium."

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link

yeah but the specific examples...Charlie bit my finger was the first one on the list, there is NO WAY that's not a joke

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link

Daisley is a) taking the piss out of his own, and b) illustrating the earlier point about old Tories giving up on The Youth

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link

i'm perhaps 65% sure the examples are jokes?

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link

of course secretly I'm hoping they're not but there's no way

the tone of his intro is the giveaway

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link

daisley's an arsehole (obviously) but he's quite Online

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link

jesus christ the comments section

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link

the goggles, they do nothing

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link

The examples are a spoof but the digital toolkit appears to be something delivered in deadly earnest.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link

luv2live in 2018 where tories are convinced that the eldritch power of memes will entrance the malleable minds of young voters, as if a picture of squidward with some text about trickle-down economics on top can magically convince the kids that their futures are not gonna be an endless grind of precarious jobs and dwindling opportunities so that chief execs can afford to build ever-higher flood defences around their country mansions

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link

As I think I said at the Brighton conference upthread, the Tories are behind with under 47s, not sure if this digital toolkit will appeal across the board, from 18 to 47.

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link

http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1516031093/WallofGammon.jpg

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link

Never knew there were so many varieties of Billy sausage

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link

(apparently the picklock phrasing is "wall of gammon")

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link

when some idiot in Iran's nuke delivers it's devastating air burst over Yorkshire, there will be the biggest ever concentration of yummy bacon butty aroma over places like Skipton and Harrogate.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link

... you missed out Barnsley

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/BBC-Question-Time-892611.jpg

Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

"By a majority of 85%, the people of Barnsley and Doncaster voted “Shexit”. In a twin-town referendum..."

Can we get shut of two turds for the price of one, bargain!

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link

Landlords, the ultimate subhuman vermin.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link

jesus fucking christ

guillotines are too good for these unbelievable shitheads

grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link

MAKE GENERAL REPAIRS ON ALL OF YOUR HOUSES

FOR EACH HOUSE PAY FUCK ALL

FOR EACH HOTEL PAY FUCK ALL

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link

I suggest Sajid Javid is not really an effective housing minister and a more strident approach is needed. Chairman Mao could do a job here.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link

Tchenguiz used to own the building I work in and managed to sell it to someone substantially worse, somehow.

tb unusually fttl the leaseholder is rarely responsible for repairs to ex council properties and these are owner-occupied buildings, rather than landlord-rented accommodation. Particularly in rapidly gentrifying areas of London, if you buy ex-council you are usually going in to it with the understanding that you can get stuck with massive repair bills.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link

did you mean freeholder?

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link

Sorry, yes.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link

"tb unusually fttl"

fucking counter-revolutionary:p

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link

np was just confused for a second - if the freeholder isn't responsible for repairs then they basically just get to charge ground rent with no drawbacks at all?

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link

As I understand it that's what freehold means yes

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link

that's a very risky investment.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link

I thought normally the freeholder was responsible for structural repairs to the building but am probably wrong, I don't know very much about owning property tbh. Fucking feudal bullshit system.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link

Hopefully it'll be torn down soon enough.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link

it's alright we've a load of very reform minded cross-party landlord MPs who are listening to your concerns and will vote accordingly.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link

yes i don't follow SV's point either: if they're owner-occupied aren't the owner-occupiers the freeholders? and hence they've been stuck with these bills because that what freeehold means? who is else is going to pay for them?

except i don't get this bit either, are surveyors excluded from ex-council purchases? (i mean obviously low-end surveyors might not have known to check re this particular aspect)

mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link

They own the lease, they don’t own the freehold. These are not rented flats.

The freeholder does sometimes need to contribute towards repairs and will be responsible for insurance to cover catastrophic damage, etc, but if your leasehold says you’re responsible for general repairs and you can’t show that there has been massive negligence on the part of the freeholder in conducting previous repairs, it’s basically part of the risk of owning part of a shared building, aiui.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link

The freeholder has the land/ building. A leaseholder buys the lease on the property for an extended period of time - hundred years or so usually? - but the freeholder retains certain rights including charges to the leaseholder iirc. It's insane, it's absolutely feudal

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link

Yep. 5ere are worse abuses than this on a lot of new builds but it’s still completely ridiculous.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link

I think outside of London in domestic properties it's much less common nowadays. Seem to recall my dad telling me that after a few years of them buying the house I grew up in they were sold the freehold by the builders at an additional fee.

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link

xps presumably the owner-occupiers are leaseholders and normally pay for building repairs through building insurance and/or fees to the management company, except this is a way larger sum than any normal management company charge, and the insurance is I guess not paying up because there hasn't actually been a fire yet

don't think the freeholder is responsible for any repairs in my building, or anything of actual benefit to the residents/leaseholders, but can still come in to the building and do whatever they like to it with no warning, or just have nothing to do with it except raking off ever increasing amounts of ground rent

(ours is one of this guy's companies: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jul/29/leasehold-tycoon-man-whose-firms-control-40000-uk-homes - we were told we'd have the chance to buy it out after n years but, surprise, that isn't actually stated in the contract and no chance now that guy's bought them all off the original developers)

a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link

Xp

Yep, it’s relatively rare on houses now though a lot of big estate builds (Barrett, etc), seem to have been put up specifically to extort buyers over the long term on service charges,

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link


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