they don't have a legacy act like a Bruce Springsteen or a U2 that they will give a high rating to regardless of an album's content.
Radiohead of course
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
I guess that's true, despite King of Limbs getting 7.9.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
Radiohead preceded them, though. p4k's legacy acts are Arcade Fire and Animal Collective, both of whom they've either trashed or given lukewarm reviews to in recent years.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
kanye?
― austinb, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
not defining to their brand, of course, but i'm curious to see whether they give the next album a high rating after Pablo was the benefactor of a sort of critical ac/dc rule
― austinb, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
I would not be surprised if a new Kanye album didn't show up this side of 2020, if at all
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
true, doesn't seem a high priority for him.
more on-the-nose p4k darlings are probably LCD Soundsystem, Bon Iver, and Fleet Foxes.
― austinb, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
yeah otm, was gonna say LCD but they got a rave review last year. same goes for recent Bon Iver and Fleet Foxes records. so, point taken
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
Grimes? idk... p4k really only had a monopoly on taste in the mid/late 00s. LCD is spot on, I was gonna say Interpol too but like The Strokes they had that last gasp of support from MTV & radio. Same goes for Kanye.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Arcade Fire, Animal Collective, Bon Iver, Fleet Foxes, Dan Deacon... these are artists that owe p4k their careers imo
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
The Black Kids, of course
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
ahahahhaha
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
the difference is that there were a buttload of other sites/magazines rating that LCD album. Are there any heritage artists p4k goes out on a critical limb for?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
clap your hands say tapes n tapes
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
Wasn't p4k pretty late on the Bon Iver bandwagon?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
xxp right, that was my thinking. when they broke in 2002, p4k was still competing with mags & MTV & the last gasps of major label raiding.
oh yeah, add The Decemberists to the list. Microphones/Mount Eerie too.
xp i don't think so fred, i remember them giving a rave review of for emma forever ago before it had even been reissued, though i could be wrong. but they definitely weren't late on that one.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
other sites rated the lcd album, but p4k did that hagiography of every single one of their tracks when they first "broke up". i feel like their commitment to making them Important goes beyond that of other pubs
― austinb, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/10709-for-emma-forever-ago/
I don't know, it's positive, but it's not even BNM'd.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
it was overlooked almost everywhere iirc, broke a year after release
― niels, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
broken social scene
― marcos, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
totally, it may not have gotten BNM but 8.1 is a ringing endorsement, and the fact that they reviewed it in early October 2007 is telling. I certainly found out about the record from p4k and didn't see it written about anywhere else until the early months of 2008.
xp yes! BSS absolutely
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
every indie act that broke from '04-'09 owes something to P4K, from Grizzly Bear to Vampire Weekend to Dirty Projectors to Sufjan to Hot Chip to The Knife, etc.
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
otm
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
might be a more fun exercise to see if there were any indie bands that broke despite neglect or a bad review from pitchfork, can't think of any off the top of my head
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
a lot of emo and twee stuff was v poorly reviewed in its early years, including early Of Montreal iirc?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
these don't really count but they dropped extremely negative reviews on Andrew W.K. and Mumford & Sons pre-breakout.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
Taylor Swift
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
iirc maybe the first review of Discovery by Daft Punk was a lot lower than what i'm seeing now?
Future Islands and early Ariel Pink
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
Future Islands was neglect, and Ariel Pink's lo-fi records were all trashed. over the top praise for Before Today and making "Round and Round" song of the year in 2010 was a panicked atonement when they saw how many of those fucking chillwave bands that came and went cited him as their primary influence.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:21 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is true, but i think they atoned fairly quickly and put the record in the top 25 or so of their half-decade '00s list iirc
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
Daft Punk preceded p4k, I saw the "One More Time" video on MTV programmed between Gorillaz and System of a Down. we're talking about bands that emerged after p4k had become the tastemakers. '04-'09 is a spot on window.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
That entire circuit of indie rock/Bonnaroo festival bands like Airborne Toxic Event, Silversun Pickups, Cage the Elephant, Cold War Kids did remarkably well w/o Pitchfork's help and sometimes with their direct antagonizing
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
it's still the same review tho. A Schrieber classic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2134-discovery/
― Number None, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
xp those are great examples.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
add Minus the Bear and maybe Dr. Dog to that list
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Animal Collective, Dan Deacon, Grizzly Bear, etc. all would have had big indie success without a p4k. maybe not as big but "p4k made these bands" is as silly as saying Rolling Stone magazine made Bruce Springsteen
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
menomena
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:37 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are people seriously suggesting that Pitchfork somehow had anything to do w/ "breaking" Kanye West??
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Different demos though? These bands exist in their own universe that's almost as distinct as those of AP magazine.
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
if you really want to split hairs between the mid-Aughts cool "i'm white and i'm online all the time and go to oberlin/pratt" indie rock vs. the mid-Aughts uncool "i'm white and upwardly mobile and go to a state school and/or live in California" indie rock, be my guest
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
huh i thought airborne toxic event was like guitar hero metal or something
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
can we collapse all of that into mtvu-core or whatever
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
or like those bands all named Bad City Chain Gang who opened for Velvet Revolver or Black Label Society
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:43 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you bet your ass i wanna split that hair
― flopson, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
Just saying that it's probably the reason p4k doesn't necessarily have any affect on the success of those bands you've listed.
xps
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
The difference between those bands and My Morning Jacket and p4k indie bands are pretty fucking minor, the only difference being that they're not immediately embraced by backseat lefsetz office warriors who think the NARRATIVE and THE CONVERSATION have any bearing on an objective financial reality.
There's also like Black Angels/Thee Oh Sees style psych bands that did/fine without P4k too
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
I mean, yes, if you narrow the pool of music listeners to a specific marketing demo of people that followed Grantland on Twitter and Tweet about how Ladybird made them cry and yearn to taste Cronut then, yes, Pitchfork is everything, slay kings
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
what if i yearn for cronut but i've also see Tool live? do they cancel each other out?
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9244-we-are-the-pipettes/
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link