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sorry to be the guy mentioning war again, but all bets are off if trump realizes that a war is the best way to rally support for his party in the short-term

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link

I know a bunch of New Yorkers who helped out in key districts in the VA elections, for example. They will not be able to do the same for the dozens of times as many important contested elections in 2018, although as I said above, there will be more interest and hence more volunteers. Good strategic planning will be needed as far as which seats are best to target.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link

You don't have to be any kind of expert to note that Dems have over performed when there was one special election, when there were a bunch of them at the same time, in local elections nobody cares about, in big elections everyone cares about. I can't see the evidence for it depending on out-of-state volunteers, it seems fairly locally rooted all over the country?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

It was definitely heavily dependent on organizations like swing left, indivisible, code blue, etc.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link

flippable focuses specifically on house nd local swing districts that are most worth your time and dedication, even has a function that locates the nearest swing district near you.

https://flippable.org/

hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link

It's been absolutely inspiring to follow those kinds of organizations from afar, but they aren't the whole story anymore. I'm just saying, the signs so far point to a wave that it has a life of it's own, where even the most local school board election is seeing a wave of interest.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link

“Lol yeah Simon it was pretty hilarious to watch all the same people that were hysterical last week going "OPRAH 2020!!!!!!!!!!!!" dismissing Chelsea Manning by saying she "wasn't qualified." give me a fucking break”
― flappy bird, Wednesday, January 17, 2018

I think by “same people” we mean “people who don’t actually exist/something we didn’t see”. I never had a sense that the Oprah thing was real. Some people said “Oprah for President” as a corny way to say they liked her awards show speech and then it started to get covered like it was a real thing. “The Hill” or Politico may have run a headline that was like “anonymous Dem donor says “sure, why not?’” but you know...

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

what are you talking about? i know a dozen people in my life that literally said those things.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link

yeah it was everywhere for a hot minute

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link

The same people who were unequivocally enthusiastic about Oprah as a presidential candidate are now also critical of Manning’s lack of qualifications for the Senate? I guess it’s not impossible. I mean it definitely runs the other way at least.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link

yeah i mean i talked to all these people. in person. it was really disorienting. but she's running in my state, and i will say i talked to even more people who are THRILLED to get the chance to vote for Chelsea, and who find the idea of an Oprah presidency horrifying.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link

i was just at the gas station and they've installed these monitors that play little entertainment/news/advertising clips (like one about how dippin dots is going into cryogenics) and while i was waiting for my gas to pump it showed a clip w/ a young woman talking about oprah's speech at the golden globes and speculation about her running for president 3 times.

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link

iirc the word of the day was venturesome and also they're selling bags of salt inside the gas station

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link

Gotta get your salt somewhere, tis the season

Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link

Oprah came from the poorest state in the country to build and run an international empire, seems like that should count for something

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link

Oprah has many admirable qualities and talents. She's smart. She has a lot of business acumen and experience. She has no practical experience of governing. These make her poorly qualified for holding the highest political office in the nation.

I agree that compared to Trump, she'd do a much, much better job, but she'd still rely heavily on the quality of the advice she receives and have insufficient background against which to judge conflicting advice from her advisors.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link

The difference between her and Trump is that Trump is also not smart and has no business acumen (other than good instincts for self-promotion and psychological warfare).

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link

xp what does "shifted to GOP by 24 points, flipped to Dems" mean?

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link

presumably it was held by an independent

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link

Oprah and Manning could maybe run for city council seats.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link

for now. a lot can happen in 11 months, though.

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:41 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump claims he'll spend 4-5 days a week helping Republicans win 2018 raceshttps://t.co/aYKYvML1uJ

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) January 17, 2018

we're going to be ok KM

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link

Goody! I bet they can't wait! xpost

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:46 (six years ago) link

yes, but the question we can't take for granted:

does trump know how many days there are in a week?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link

he uses KFC thighs for help

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link

some post blogger reporting trump's reflecting on the 2002 midterms & holding his breath for a terrorist attack

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link

Were it to happen, I doubt it would rebound to the GOP or Trump's favor this time, despite my never doubting the stupidity of human behavior.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link

yeah, i posted something about that on the politics thread, i think (they're all starting to blend together). a terrorist attack doesn't concern me so much as trump manufacturing his own crisis (a war in north korea, for example) for political gain

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link

There have been multiple terrorist attacks under Trump. A man shot and killed 58 people in Las Vegas. A man driving a truck mowed down dozens of people in NYC. Another man killed a counter protester in Charlotte. It’s not a matter of debate, to me, that these were all acts of terror.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 January 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link

I'm going to go full on hermit conspiracy theorist if there's a dirty bomb in downtown LA using "North Korean" or "Iranian" nuclear material, smuggled in with the assitance Mexican cartels.

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:06 (six years ago) link

there have also been successful ISIS attacks under Trump (or just one? Stuyvesant truck)- I'm with Karl, I'm spooked that he'll fuck with North Korea.

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:27 (six years ago) link

oh yeah you mentioned that, yeah what I meant is even if Trump or the public at large only acknowledges terrorism as = Muslims, there was one. he doesn't seem very focused or concerned about ISIS

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link

besides, ISIS never called him a dotard

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:34 (six years ago) link

yeah i bet trump's got some nicknames for ISIS members anyway

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:37 (six years ago) link

uuuugh, i'm guessing trump's nicknames for ISIS members are the worst thing to hear in the entire world

Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link

more like iSISSIES, amirite?

godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link

Corey Robin:

Remember that huge controversy last year when Bernie Sanders supported Heath Mello's mayoral bid in Nebraska, despite Mello's previous anti-choice votes and positions? Bad Bernie, bad bros, and all that.

Now the national Democrats are firmly backing Brad Ashford, who's running for Congress in Nebraska, even though Ashford voted for the two same bills in Nebraska that Mello did. One of Ashford's competitors is Kara Easton, a staunchly pro-choice candidate, who backs single-payer and free college, and has the support of local unions and other progressive groups.
Emily's List hasn't yet decided whom to support. A white guy with some anti-choice votes and the backing of the national Democrats or a solidly pro-choice woman who's also solidly progressive on other fronts.

This is just maddening, but this article details story after story of how the national Democrats are lining up against more progressive candidates locally.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/dccc-democratic-primaries-congress-progressives/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link

The DNC keeps asking me for money. I keep ignoring them.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link

nb just to innoculate against drive-by ad homs against the authors here lee fang is the worst ok

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link

In an era of regular wave elections — 2006, 2008, 2010, and onward — sustainable majorities may be elusive. The smartest play for the party that takes power, said Michael Podhorzer, political director for the labor federation AFL-CIO, is to seize the opportunity when a wave washes it into power, implement an aggressive agenda, and then defend it from the minority when the party is inevitably washed back out — much as Democrats did successfully with the Affordable Care Act, and as Republicans hope to do with tax cuts. It’s a strategy that means moving two or three steps forward and holding as many of those gains until power is reclaimed, then moving another two steps forward. But it’s only possible with candidates-turned-lawmakers ready to take bold action when they have the chance.

Prioritizing fundraising, as Democratic Party officials do, has a feedback effect that creates lawmakers who are further and further removed from the people they are elected to represent. In 2013, the DCCC offered a startling presentation for incoming lawmakers, telling them they would be expected to immediately begin four hours of “call time” every day they were in Washington. That’s time spent dialing for dollars from high-end donors.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link

Call it 'ad homs' at much as you like, Lee Fang is a lying piece of shit and I don't trust anything he writes.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link

Frederidundancy

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link

Call it 'ad homs' at much as you like, Lee Fang is a lying piece of shit and I don't trust anything he writes.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:02 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so trust half of this one then

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link

Lol, that's not how it works.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link

what did lee fang do again, his wiki isn't much help on this

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link

Wrote a bunch of false bullshit. Has no credibility at all. I trust him about as much as I trust Sean Hannity.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link

Frederik always with the rigorous sourcing

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link

otm

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link

my derision is rooted elsewhere, can't speak to the quality of his reporting, just his bad opinions

Liberals disagree w/Richard Spencer's policy outlook but share his core belief that race alone determines your value in society pic.twitter.com/kTyh7DDQDj

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) August 4, 2017


It's not surprising, but it's still frustrating to see Lee Fang's bullshit pic.twitter.com/TEHrMgCKqk

— Matt Novak (@paleofuture) October 26, 2017

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link


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