Deep Space Nine: a thread for (re)watching this awesome series

Head shaved, goatee on, ready to go.

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The reason Paramount made Brooks grow out his hair and shave his goatee is so sad and stupid.

where does that appear

wasn't it because they thought it made him look too similar to his character in Spencer for Hire?

I read it in the Trek oral history, and yeah, they didn't want DS9 viewers to confuse him with Spencer For Hire.

I'm watching DS9 for the first time. I gave up on season 1 a few episodes in and just watched the episodes considered the best. Now I'm into season 3. I'll say that the end of season 2 from "The Maquis" onwards was excellent.

Got a little emotional when Worf was accepted into the House of Martok. Could not give a shit about 8000 people ceasing to exist due to timey-wimey shit. Acceptable reaction y/n?

y

That was a largely stupid episode IMO, save for Sisko squeeing over a babby.

https://deadspin.com/deep-space-nine-innings-a-star-trek-spinoffs-unlikely-1823440533

That's it, I've reached my limit, I finally have to say something. "Warrior" is three syllables, not two, and the first one isn't "war".

war-ee-or
war-your

ok, I'm still guessing, what's the three-syllable version without war as the first? wah-ree-yor?

Ah the minefield of explaining pronunciation on the internet. I guess depending on where you're from and how you say them they might rhyme, for me the first vowel sound in warrior is shorter than war, rhymes with dot not door.

From http://www.ipachart.com/ I think it's more ɒ than a ɔ or o. Clicking around there is hilarious btw...

war-yer is general martok's preferred and oft-repeated version.

klingons learned english from americans is what I feel

Then they have no honorrrrrr.

shooting at the walls of heartache, bang bang

i am the war-yer

I'm near the end of season 4. the one where they wipe worf's brother's memory is shit -- everyone acting like assisted suicide has never been done on trek before.

otm

h8 u 2 >=(

season 4 is where it starts to get really good tbh.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/07/03/editing-completed-for-what-we-left-behind-ds9-documentary-expected-to-be-released-this-year/

2 episodes to go, but after a strong start season 6 has plumbed the depths of the worst television known to humankind.

Fortuitous revive! I just this week started watching DS9 for the first time since it premiered (I think I watched the first season sporadically before I bowed out), largely because I've been verrrrrry slowly working my way through TNG and didn't recall that the two shows had aired concurrently until I hit the TNG season 6 crossover ep. I also didn't realize at the time that this is essentially a western.

(I wonder how much I'm reading into the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict as a reference to Vietnam finally loosing itself from France's grip just in time for US/the Federation to swoop in as a new colonial presence.)

man season 7 was a fucking chore SO MUCH WEYOUN UGH

I'm on season 1, first time watching the show, other than catching eps here and there when it was first broadcast. it's kind of bad a lot of the time!

I'm choosing to see the occasional badness as a parallel to the ramshackle nature of the station itself. As they rebuild and develop this new community, so too will the show develop. In theory. So I've heard.

Leave us not forget how rough TNG was in the beginning...

yeah I'm sticking with it and there have been some good eps

Some good eps in the first couple seasons, but then it really picks up.

i really like the pilot episode, trippy and moving in parts

What is this Mirror Universe with people complaining about too much Weyoun as if such a thing is possible.

xpost 'You choose to exist here. It is not linear.' has been low-key haunting me since I watched the pilot.

Love Weyoun

Definitely prefer the Dominion story arc to the Star Trek as comic soap opera storylines. Especially if they involve Quark, a new holosuite program, the mirror universe, or anyone being shrunken to miniature size by a rare subspace compression phenomenon.

i like the mirror universe, but the ease with which people move back and forth is pretty silly

almost as silly as 'we had to transport keiko's baby into kira'

So like halfway through the first season, I'm feeling very much like I would like to see a spinoff called The Odo Quark-ple, because they're both pretty great and frankly the only characters I really care about atm. With the caveat that I have no idea how the series ends or what their ultimate fate will be, I'd like to go ahead and pitch Paramount on the next best thing (working title is Grumpy Old Aliens but I'm open to suggestions).

OMG, how had I never learned before that Alexander Siddig is Malcolm McDowell's nephew?! It's all right there in his face, so obvious!

whoa!

mind blown

And Nana Visitor is the niece of Cyd Charisse. And I didn't know Siddig and Visitor were once married. Everybody famous is related to some other famous person and they're all married to each other, apparently.

Fuuuuuuck, 'Duet' is so good. Some haters up itt, yo.

I'm finished! Final season spoilers ahead.

I've had my problems with this show and for a while it seemed that despite the increasing gravity of the Dominion war the inhabitants of DS9 were content to carry on dicking around on the holodeck or in the mirror universe, but finally the show rubbed its hands together and got down to business for a pretty compelling season. Nog's holodeck ptsd episode the only Vic Fontaine one not deserving of being destroyed with plasma torpedoes. Some really strong pair-based conflicts towards the end - Worf & Ezri, Dukat & Winn, Kira & Damar. Unfortunately the penultimate episode was a Ferengenoid shitshow and the last one, though a double, felt rushed, Sisko's arc in particular seemed like a complete waste of a 7 season build up. Still, it beats season 6's 3+ Quark episodes, the mirror universe, Vic fucking Fontaine, and "Molly O'Brien disappears in a vortex and reappears as an 18-year-old woman, but she is now feral".

On the whole though I'm going to miss these crazy folks. I might start revisiting TNG...

OMG, how had I never learned before that Alexander Siddig is Malcolm McDowell's nephew?! It's all right there in his face, so obvious!

the last one, though a double, felt rushed, Sisko's arc in particular seemed like a complete waste of a 7 season build up

I think the consensus is that the Sisko conclusion is anticlimactic, though with time and foreknowledge of what ends up happening, the finale feels like a decent conclusion otherwise, especially for the Dominion War.

That said, Ira Behr's original idea for the ending was an enormous missed opportunity: https://trekmovie.com/2018/08/21/ira-steven-behr-reveals-how-he-really-wanted-star-trek-deep-space-nine-to-end-more-ds9-at-stlv-2018/ (spoilers obvs).

I finished the first season, btw, but then I decided to go back and finish up the final season of TNG (which I never completed) before moving on. So I still have a few more episodes of Data hallucinating/dreaming/having a temporary psychotic break (seriously, did these late-period writers just not consult with one another or was this a conscious decision?) until I get back to my Deep Space Cru.

data is a total liability tbh, he should have been fired out of an airlock into the inky vastness after his fourth attempt on the lives of the crew

Seriously, always thought he seemed like a pretty chill dude until the home stretch, I guess starting from the point when Lore reprogrammed him. Now it's like Five Nights at Freddy's on a spaceship.

they did jettison Lore into the inky vastness. it didn't take.

good point

they should have jettisoned both of them into the inky blackness then atomised them with photon torpedoes

thanks for that link Leee. i think i would've been pretty mad if they did that ending though, tbh, lol
seeing little Jakey all grown up still freaks me out

i skipped back to a season 1 episode for some reason, jake suddenly being a little kid again was a shock.