I HATE APPLE

I'm sorry, as a software developer, some of those points are making me crack up and I salute the boldness of their development team

"management is demanding that we don't have library database problems like prior models had."
"let's rebuild the whole thing any time it'd likely get corrupted"
"management's never going to buy that! it'd take forever!"

and they somehow pulled it off, beautiful

Zune is kind of a different thing, as far as I know you weren't locked into a certain piece of software with all your library information, and Microsoft wasn't continuing to make more expensive Zune-like devices with half the storage

they discontinued Zune services and had bought all the smartphone assets of Nokia within a year!

I had one of those but had to return it because of that startup rebuild thing (on mh-like objections), it not working well with playlists and some crashes when scrolling.

Sounded great though

(The Walkman not the zune)

right but you can still use your Zune, you can drag and drop the files onto the thing

wait do you feel locked into itunes or the ipod?

wasn't continuing to make more expensive Zune-like devices with half the storage

― frogbs, Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:58 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark

...that also happened to make phone calls and access the internet from anywhere in the world and which you were carrying around anyway because smartphones are replacing personal computers as people's primary devices.

wait do you feel locked into itunes or the ipod?

yeah. I have a ton of playlists and metadata loaded into it. plus (for the time being) my classic still works

you're going to end up like these people http://www.newser.com/story/208407/whats-so-special-about-this-japanese-chalk.html

I've been that person for like 3 years now

can't believe apple no longer supports my Newton, what a world

tbh chalk is way better than markers

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY

I remember when the Apple II folks went crazy because the Macintosh was "worse, more expensive, not as compatible, etc." and vowed that Apple was an evil company for abandoning the platform.

all of this is true but unfortunately streaming is king

streaming has fuck-all on it IRL though

(yeah your long post later is basically otm but I don't scrobble, haven't slsked in years and borrowed an external optical for a few weeks this year to rip a bunch of sessions, concerts, b-sides and plays before moving overseas)

how many of the "sync with iTunes" ppl here are also the "iTunes is the fucking worst at syncing" ppl

have never synced either an ipod or an iphone. add files to iTunes, edit metadata, copy manually to device, delete.

do you back the phone/pod up anywhere?

Apple was an evil company for abandoning the platform

not totally wrong

i don't understand why people are so surprised that people just want to continue to be able to use and maintain an expensive piece of dedicated technology that was sold until very recently and which they want to use in a way that they are used to being hassle-free and which suits them. I want a tiny little lightweight mp3 player that I can use in the gym, rather than use a quite heavy and valuable phone, it's no big deal but it would be good if those technologies were still supported and even minimally developed by the company that made a lot of money out of selling them in the first place.

support legislation requiring technology over a certain price point to be serviced, or replacement parts provided, for a given time period imo

as long as corporations manufacture things and people don’t value longevity there is absolutely no incentive for them to provide anything

they’re not going to be obligated to make an ipod with expandable memory or whatever but if you want to use it for eons and replace the battery, have at it

it would be good if those technologies were still supported and even minimally developed by the company that made a lot of money out of selling them in the first place.

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

i agree! this is also completely separate from frogbs's claim that apple is leaving money on the table by killing the ipod classic.

otm

not saying they're going to be making money selling iPods in 2018 - rather that it doesn't seem smart to me to not even bother to do the bare minimum to keep some segment of your customer base happy when your entire business model is based around locking people into a software/hardware system. and I say that as someone who genuinely wanted to spend hundreds of $$$ every couple years on new iPhones

It seems more like the kind of thing that might foster brand loyalty and good feeling rather than actually make them money.

That said, you know what technology is still going strong and probably should be supported? Analog headphone connectors!

I forgot to fume about headphone jacks in my list upthread

do you back the phone/pod up anywhere?

I put podcasts on a phone and delete them from the phone once I've listened to them. Last did a backup of the ipod library a couple of years ago, but I have vastly more mp3s than can fit on it. (I say "have," but they're on external drives in a storage locker on the other side of the planet...)

I'm probably the least into music person on all of ILX so my opinion barely counts but I sure as heck appreciate not having to "have" "media files" anymore.

Since this is the I HATE APPLE thread I will say that I hope I don't have to buy a laptop ever again. If this one ever dies I'll probably just live without a "proper computer", it's a hassle and it isn't good for much.

It seems more like the kind of thing that might foster brand loyalty and good feeling rather than actually make them money.

brand loyalty is kinda what makes them money isn't it? there's Apple, the Apple software, and the Apple accessories...and then there's everything else.

uh what makes them money is selling hardware to people at a profit, is that what you're referring to as "everything else"?

what do yall think about a music player/storage device built into the headphone itself?

you'll just do anything to get rid of our beloved conventional headphones won't you

xp don't like. headphones have enough quality issues/quirks without adding extra crap. i don't even like active noise-canceling

I taped an ipod shuffle to my headphones once

Gotta say, I do appreciate that when a program freezes up Force Quit "just works", in a satisfyingly immediate fashion. On Windows 7 it seems like when I terminate something from the process manager, it'll often just sit there frozen for a while before it decides to finally fuck off.

Was it always thus, by the way? I feel like 10+ years ago I wasn't constantly, constantly forcing crashed/hung/frozen programs to quit in every OS I use.

i almost never need to force quit so it may be something special about your suite?

stuff used to crash all the damn time to the extent you’d have to reboot your computer!!

half of the 90s was rebooting computers any time you tried to run anything more complex than lotus 1-2-3

so big news today I thought about production being cut back on the iPhone X. I don't remember hearing anything similar about any older iPhone model this soon after its launch.

everyone’s a supply chain expert these days

I feel like 10+ years ago I wasn't constantly, constantly forcing crashed/hung/frozen programs to quit

my macbook is that old, w/ somewhat newer but not up to date os and browser, and the browser hangs all the fuckin time. some other programs too, but browsers are the worse. really thwarts the use of force quitting, too, since it can take forever to even get the window up to confirm.

ah the new web is the problem though, old web’d never leave ya hanging

*curses you with a 2004 javascript engine*

oh word, I forgot that programs crashing in the bad old days took the whole system down with them more often than not.

No, I disagree. The last ipod classic was produced in 2014, that is just a little more than 3 years ago, that does not make it antique.

An enterprise which wants to build a strong link with the customers should care for support. It would be easy for them to change the battery pack but the thing is it is financially not interesting, that is why they do not do it, I suppose. And I have decided for myself that I am not going to support this company who does not care for my interests anymore, it is as easy as that.

― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 01:56 (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're right, i see what you mean now

btw that new keyboard-randomiser bug has to go. i'm sick to death of ios throwing up some random fucking keyboard every time i switch apps.

e.g. i have the chinese zhuyin keyboard for when a taiwanese person wants to type something on my phone, but at least 50% of the time ios goes "oh btw here's that zhuyin keyboard you only use twice a month", not the english/pinyin keyboards i use literally all the god damned time

yea it's Russian roulette whether i actually get Gboard or not

by which i mean, every so often my phone actually shoots a bullet into my head. questionable imo

I've deleted the main English one, which maximises my chances of getting Gboard

i don’t trust google to not scrape all my typing

which is a shame, because it looks like it would solve all my problems