Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

ok but what is the conclusion? that she's alt-right? the reaction seems so insane and over the top, I really don't understand what the issue is beyond a bad photo-op, but aren't people smart enough to realize bad photo-ops - "nagl"'s - have historically been used to smear people?

is flappy bird like angry birds or

not really, more like super mario

flappy bird can fly/has autonomy/isn't aggrieved. the angry birds are angry, flightless, and forced to launch themselves into objects and their enemies.

What is flappy bird's motovation if not anger

flapping iirc

none. flappy bird is zen

that chelsea tweet is immensely depressing btw

If you bought the flappy bird app, would you still have it, or would it have disappeared?

take these flappy wings and learn to fly

yeah for real. wtf did she do? anyone that says 'chelsea manning is cancelled' or whatever because of a fucking photo op deserves 8 years of trump

xxp you would still have it. that's why phones with it were selling for so much on ebay

take these flappy wings and learn to fly

flappy bird already knows how to fly

But that suggested it was phones with it pre-installed.

Also lol @ dude thinking he's in Snow Crash or some shit

Technically it was two photo ops...

ok again whats the major 'i've hit rock bottom' issue

xp

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I think the issue (which I don't really care about) is that this "photo op" came out, then people found out she had attended an alt-right convention supposedly to gather info. Then another photo appear from a different occasion (?) which showed her palling around with alt-right trolls. Then the trolls this to show how loving and accepting they are and did some concern trolling about how the leftists on twitter were attacking a trans woman.

I can imagine it impacting her senate campaign in a bad way, lol.

I mean, even if you buy her explanations 100% - which I don't, btw - doing unannounced photo ops with fascists is a pretty big 'don't' for Dem senate candidates.

People got really mad at the reporters for saying she was even there. Then she said yes she was there but protesting actually, now it’s that yes she was socializing with neo-nazis more than once but it’s spy work for the left. That’s the actual current explanation.

if you're really "lol"-ing over chelsea manning's misfortunes I question yr character tbh xp

what do you think her reasons were then? not baiting just curious.

photos are a bad look but i find it really hard to believe that her entire political belief system 180'd overnight.

if you're really "lol"-ing over chelsea manning's misfortunes I question yr character tbh xp

― Simon H., 30. januar 2018 21:32 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was darkly laughing at flappy bird, but I'll admit to not feeling a ton of sympathy for her. She hurt a lot of people with her behaviour.

the enemy of my enemy (neoliberalism) is my friend? xp

The hospitals are full of them

I don’t believe she’s a neo-nazi and but seems possible she considers racism less of a big deal than other causes. Her tweets suggest more vaguely anti-establishment than left maybe and some were maybe assuming/projecting their own causes on to her. Adam Johnson said as much when he explained why he never embraced her candidacy. Some of the text exchanges w Fairbanks indicate she may have been co-opted.

She hurt a lot of people with her behaviour.

who is this referring to and is their hurt in any way comparable to seven years in a hole

it's not a secret that some ppl on the left share interests w/ some ppl on the alt-right. they're both v critical of the american political class, both tend to group moderate dem politicians w/ republicans, both are skeptical of US militarism, both think Russiagate is a fake scandal designed to draw attention away from the embarrassment of losing to Trump, both seem to think that Trump is an interesting proxy for popular outrage (tho now we're reaching the limits of their agreement as it appears to me that the left does not support Trump policy and is critical of race demagoguing, whereas the alt-right is generally enthusiastic), both are skeptical/hostile towards the "deep state" (US intelligence), both are skeptical/hostile towards transnational trade agreements (TPP) and transnational political organizations (the EU)...

one could reasonably argue that they share more in common w/ each other than either share with the party that ostensibly represents their interests

only want wants to create a white ethnostate iirc, seems like a pretty major difference

I hope she rethinks her candidacy and tries to live a quiet life and heal from what she's experienced. the candidacy seems based on a cult of personality. she has no history of activism, organizing, campaigning. no connection to social or political movements. doing one laudable thing with horrendous personal consequences is, well, laudable, but it doesn't even begin to qualify you for political leadership (I'm well aware that what qualifies most people for these political positions in the states is money and connections but two wrongs don't make one right).

xp correct, i mentioned that racial interests separate them. but that doesn't mean that there aren't areas of collaboration. there has been a taboo against working with nazis for many decades but the memory of WW2 is eroding, political language has become cheapened, and ppl are interested in new coalitions. it seems like there's still enough of a taboo that manning can be shamed for hanging over with the alt-right but i think the trends are probably heading in that direction. they'll differ on the ultimate goal but you know just bc israel doesn't believe jesus is returning doesn't mean they can't work w/ the evangelical right.

I'm sorry mordy but that is one hot take

it's not a secret that some ppl on the left share interests w/ some ppl on the alt-right. they're both v critical of the american political class, both tend to group moderate dem politicians w/ republicans, both are skeptical of US militarism, both think Russiagate is a fake scandal designed to draw attention away from the embarrassment of losing to Trump, both seem to think that Trump is an interesting proxy for popular outrage (tho now we're reaching the limits of their agreement as it appears to me that the left does not support Trump policy and is critical of race demagoguing, whereas the alt-right is generally enthusiastic), both are skeptical/hostile towards the "deep state" (US intelligence), both are skeptical/hostile towards transnational trade agreements (TPP) and transnational political organizations (the EU)...

― Mordy, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:56 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

xp, the unite the right rally was like 7 months ago

ayy uhh do you have any evidence of the erosion of the taboo against nazism leading to closer links between nazis and the left over than a poorly judged picture opportunity of chelsea manning with some alt-right dipshits?

cuz while both sides have indeed identified structural problems with us domestic and foreign policy the conclusions they draw and their suggested solutions share very very little iirc

Big difference imo is the alt-right’s skepticism is pretty dishonest. Some people on the right realized they needed to pretend to be anti-war following Iraq.

“both are skeptical of US militarism”

paleoconservatives have been critical of US engagement abroad for decades now

ayy uhh do you have any evidence of the erosion of the taboo against nazism leading to closer links between nazis and the left over than a poorly judged picture opportunity of chelsea manning with some alt-right dipshits?

i haven't been tracking evidence but you see this kind of thing obliquely in The Intercept a lot, among its writers on twitter, and heavily in their comments threads. i think it could be the left will just refuse to work with the alt-right on anything due to ethical considerations and that would be wonderful but someone asked why manning would be at this event and i don't think it's crazy to think she was exploring whether they can work together.

so... no

cf also like jill stein on RT, dining w/ Putin. i've seen a bunch of things that together suggest to me that there's something going on but i wouldn't argue that this is for sure 100% a thing that's happening. that's more an argument someone might make who is looking to discredit the left and tbh i think such an alliance would be pretty savvy for them and will take a lot of fortitude to resist.

so yes. i understand it's not an enjoyable thought experiment.

high-profile leftist jill stein huh

if it doesn't ring true for you than ignore it. it'll either happen or not.

then*

love to exert potential fringe influence over 1% of the electorate

we're talking about a fringe candidate no???

like maybe i’m missing your point here but, again, ‘the conclusions they draw and their suggested solutions share very very little iirc’

one side wants to redress systematic inequalities through (for example) universal healthcare, free college tuition, and a fairer redistribution of wealth

the other side wants to redress systematic inequalities by blaming black and brown people for creating them, then killing a lot of people, directly or indirectly, in pursuit of ultimately creating a white ethnostate

not a lot of ideological crossover there even if they both agree that the us system is fucked

this is a more complex discussion than i should be getting into at 4:20 on a tuesday but the alt-right doesn't blame black and brown people for creating systemic inequalities. they blame Wall Street and the political class qua the Jews and they believe that the neoliberal political class is using immigration as a weapon to dilute their political interests by creating opposing interest groups. they may dream of ultimately establishing a white ethnostate but in the meanwhile they can work together on topics of shared interest. the white ethnostate is an ahistorical messianic goal (just like many of the left have their own ahistorical political goal) but they can still work together to neuter the parasites that are exploiting the american population. the left doesn't even have to agree with the ethnic character of said parasites in order to work w/ the alt-right (and sadly there are leftists who agree on this point as well).

this is a more complex discussion than i should be getting into at 4:20 on a tuesday

hell yeah brother blaze up