Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I've seen almost no one who thinks "Russiagate is a fake scandal designed to draw attention away from the embarrassment of losing to Trump." "Something happened but it isn't why Hillary lost" and "something happened but nothing will come of it with a GOP Congress" are not the same as "fake scandal."

― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:37 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like this post because i agree with these summaries

Greenwald def said 'fake scandal' until it became way too embarrassing, and then for a while longer. In general Mordy is otm, although imo the longterm possibility of the sides working together got killed by Trump and Unite the Right and does not have that much currency today. But Assange is pretty openly far right and has been so for a while, Greenwald is a beloved guest on Fox News, and Chelsea Manning was hanging around with fascists, so the signs are definitely there.

Or, the idea probably died with the murder of Heather Heyer.

still waiting for you to explain how chelsea manning "hurt a lot of people with her behaviour"

Or, the idea probably died with the murder of Heather Heyer

The fuck? It never being a valid, live idea at all might have something to do with why Heather was there in the first place.

seems like the important background position here is whether you think US foreign policy is horrible and has been for decades (hint it is it is it is it is)

protecting the integrity of our elections is like the A-1 solveable problem before us, and so the "russia scandal" could and should be conceived of in those terms -- right alongside the much worse effects of our own domestic billionaire class, the tech platforms, gerrymandering and suppression. but bigtime democrats aren't really speaking like that.

still waiting for you to explain how chelsea manning "hurt a lot of people with her behaviour"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), 30. januar 2018 23:21 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Many of the people she partied with were instrumental in GamerGate and other organized harassment campaigns, and it's definitely hurting the many many victims all over again for a wannabe prominent leftist to pal around with their harassers like that. As if their pain doesn't matter. Even the whole thing about 'gathering intel' is bullshit, because if you want to gather intel on harassment, you ask the victims, not the perpetrators.

Agreed.

Like with cable news hosts mainly focusing on Russia shit as it’s the most (relatively) safe thing to cover that doesn’t being any attention to how actual powerholders(in the party or otherwise) have set things up

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Many of the people she partied with were instrumental in GamerGate and other organized harassment campaigns, and it's definitely hurting the many many victims all over again for a wannabe prominent leftist to pal around with their harassers like that. As if their pain doesn't matter. Even the whole thing about 'gathering intel' is bullshit, because if you want to gather intel on harassment, you ask the victims, not the perpetrators.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:33 PM (eleven minutes ago)

gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that it was "definitely hurting" chelsea manning when she was imprisoned in horrific conditions for seven years by the u.s. government, and if you're going to pride yourself on sticking up for the victims of harassment campaigns you might try to avoid bragging about how you don't feel much sympathy for other people who suffered

Sure, but is that supposed to excuse her shitty behaviour? Are we supposed to not feel bad for the people she's hurting because she has been hurt herself?

even if she thinks that she can collaborate w/ the alt-lite that's not a moral failing, just a tactical one. either it's a good idea for her project to meet w/ these guys (promotes the project) or a bad idea (hurts the project), but if it were ultimately a good idea the fact that someone might be upset that she's doing it isn't a good reason for her not to do it. "shitty behavior" i think of behavior born out of selfish desires like self-gratification or greed or sloth. i get the impression that she tries to live up to a mission and did not visit cernovich bc of personal vices. and her contrition now seems v sincere.

a mistake is not a sin. and hanging out in the company of sinners is also not a sin (tho it's probably a bad idea in general since you can start to adopt the beliefs and ethos of the people you habitually find yourself among).

Again, you Americans have so weird responses when it comes to racism and fascism.

as usual yr carefully constructed not-ad-hom arguments have convinced me of the rightness of your difficult to discern opinion

how long, o lord, till fred gets banned again

There's just nothing to argue. Either you see racism/fascism as a personal blemish that you have to actively put on yourself, or you see it as a structural blemish you have some sort of personal responsibility to combat. And on here it feels as if it's always the first, and unless it's 150% obvious that someone has put this blemish on themself we should always give them the benefit of the doubt. And there's kinda no common ground to argue this.

Talking about 'sin' 'moral failures' and 'personal vices' is just obfuscation, imo, from the very clear and simple point that hanging around with fascists is, well, shitty.

oh lord i'm on freddy b's side

hey Virgil, you guys doing a periscope tonight of the state of the union? that would be really fun pic.twitter.com/IRdTbLdzyM

— Rick and Morty DSA🌹 (@RickandMortyS4) January 31, 2018

hell yeah we are. nobody is allowed to comment on where my television is placed https://t.co/l3AF0II7Xg

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) January 31, 2018

Virgil & Matt gunna yell at the telly again

(Which will probly still be sitting on the floor of his apt)

hey Virgil, you guys doing a periscope tonight of the state of the union? that would be really fun pic.twitter.com/IRdTbLdzyM

— Rick and Morty DSA🌹 (@RickandMortyS4) January 31, 2018

hell yeah we are. nobody is allowed to comment on where my television is placed https://t.co/l3AF0II7Xg

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) January 31, 2018

Virgil & Matt gunna yell at the telly again

(Which will probly still be sitting on the floor of his apt)

kinda feel like all this stuff belongs more in the general left thread or the US politics thread

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, January 30, 2018 1:44 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unfortunately all left discourse on the internet must pertain to the funny podcast men as of roughly mid-2016. sorry but it's the law.

I mean we've always discussed other shit on here which is why I gave the thread a bit of a broader title, it might as well stay here

anyway if Manning was unrepentant or didn't get the gravity of what had happened I might understand Fred's lack of sympathy but that's clearly not the case. sorry if it lessens my antifa cred that I'm willing to give a bit more leeway to and be more patient with someone who's been through what she has

https://www.pscp.tv/w/bT_HfDFWR1F2d1hZV09LT2t8MWdxR3ZZckxRWEJLQiat73D7iBpvG3tMD5ddxUdJJv11-GrE7cIxW0DJ42iw

mean we've always discussed other shit on here which is why I gave the thread a bit of a broader title, it might as well stay here

― Simon H., Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mostly just don't want Fred 'n' co shitting up our thread, so I'd prefer to redirect them to a decoy

she spent 7 years being tortured in a lawless prison for leaking state secrets. she's not a fucking fascist cos she went to a single party. her "gathering intel" line was probably to appease performative jackasses like Fred B who apparently have no qualms about entirely dismissing a trans victim of state abusive as a fascist if it makes him look good.

someone said it above but I agree she's probably terribly traumatized and honestly hope she does not try to enter the incredibly toxic work of running a campaign right now, like Kickstart as a trip to the beach and read books

i watched like 25 minutes of the SOTU periscope last night, so good, lmao @ all of them (accurately) describing trump as looking "extra wide." felix is right, he sounded pilled out- downers maybe the only way he can make it thru a canned speech w/o improvising. also lol "chuck schumer looking... awful"

fat jokes, so edgy

did they talk about his hair too

sorry i’m just a bit 🙄 about the cult of personality surrounding a bunch of cokehead rich media tyles

hell yeah

Like Hillary, their haters only make them stronger.

the notion of them as tryhard edgelord coke bros gets weirder to me every time there's a 20-minute discussion of arcane government procedure or ann hourlong history lesson or tim faust coming on to talk health justice, to name a few examples. there are a lot of valid criticisms to make about the whole phenomenon (folks on the subreddit were bitching about inaccuracies and wild conflations in matt's solo history episode), including plenty made on here, just not sure how many of them are coming from people who actually listened

virgil’s interview with kaniela ing today is great, and v much in the chapo wonklord tradition simon mentions

I hadn't heard of Ing before but he seems very cool!

yeah me neither but he seems super-good

pretty easy on the ol’ eyes too

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Kaniela_Ing_for_Congress.png

1. DSA member judge Mik Pappas seems to be doing good work in Pittsburgh
2. This interview is one of the funniest I've seen in a long time just for the reporter's hilariously dismissive tone and signoff line

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/mik-pappas-no-cash-bail-policy-criticism/

“I’ve never, ever had or heard of a magistrate trying to invoke contempt powers whenever they don’t have them, number one, and number two, I clearly was not in contempt in any event,” DePasquale said.

he's not mad he's actually laughing about it

everyone is dunking on PSA's Jon Favreau for joining up with a health care initiative whose aim is Definitely Not to derail the M4A fight

You know that life or death political struggle you're invested in? Our mission is to remove it from the realm of politics by making it human pic.twitter.com/fqtDtazruF

— Will🦕Menaker (@willmenaker) February 7, 2018

the path already exists. the movement already exists. the political will exists. what’s lacking is a willingness to stand up for values that people already agree with for fear of alienating people like bill frist https://t.co/clB2I11KFd

— robot emma (@emmaroller) February 7, 2018

Felix is on the Michael Brooks Show episode playing a game of Gulag or Reeducation Camp

I think it's unproductive to ascribe nefarious motives to Favreau's stance here, that he's primarily concerned with carving out a professional niche for himself and his ilk in the future healthcare landscape as opposed to his stance just representing a disagreement on tactics/approach/pragmatism. but I also think he's dead wrong, the time for Medicare for All is right fucking now.

im sure the group jonfav is joining is sketchy and neoliberal or whatever but it does annoys me when ppl seem think you just push a button that says universal ur a puny moral feeb if you raise questions about policy. single payer isnt even the most socialist healthcare it actually has the potential to be p neolib

it's hard to say nefarious or not because those people literally don't know any other way to "solve" problems, they are technocrats. But I wouldn't be surprised if he very sincerely thinks "oh no, this medicare for all movement is so extremist and simplistic, we need to *think* our way out of this problem and find sensible solutions" as though that isn't exactly what obamacare made a herculean effort to do and still failed to do.

I mean yeah tbh it probably is an attempt to derail M4A

cozying up with the likes of Bill Frist gets a real big "Fuck You" from me

"Pod save America? NO NO NO
Pod DAMN America!" pic.twitter.com/iFcOQ2qnup

— Gore Vidal Sassoon (@JimmyJazz1968) February 7, 2018

glenn greenwald done went on chapo

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