PHANTOM THREAD: Paul Tomas Anderson, Daniel Day-Lewis, Fifties London

Structurally, the extended fitting / courtship scene feels much like the first extended interview scene in The Master.

The first hint that this is a comedy (and one of my favorite moments) is during that fitting scene when the sister says "he likes a little belly" and Alma--whom you'd expect to show some kind of stereotypical subdued woundedness in response--has this really broad "wtf did you say" expression and it's so great.

xp yea definitely agree with the interview quote upthread about the connection between this and the master, pta self-deprecating "i have a limited bag of tricks" well this one is still pretty different, obviously funnier & more intimate

haha yeah @ryan i like how quickly alma is integrated into the house and how pta doesn't make her go thru the expected wounded pose. like i think a scene or two after that belly comment is the first breakfast scene with alma. "it's like you road a horse across the room"

is this his first movie where the dude is just irritated rather than tamping down some unresolved father issues boiling rage?

DDL has a good body for portraying a person uncomfortable with existing in a body

xp yes... altho punch drunk-love doesnt have that iirc. but all of his movies are very concerned with masculinity & society's expectations of men and their behavior

?? if you take away the shoobidy shobbidy baby talk from adam sandler all you get is unresolved father issue boiling rage

I suppose, probably misremembering but aren't his parents out of the picture/ was raised by his mom? tho absent father still= father issues often

The mother remarried; Woodcock was old enough to make her gown. There could be an element of Oedipal resentment of the (step)father intruding on their life together; there could be an element of him trying to control his mother's second marriage through the gown. I could be reading too much into this.

On another subject, if anyone rewatches this, could you tell me whether or not Woodcock's designs include any fur? It strikes as a little strange for this period for a high-fashion designer to not use any fur in a collection.

oh i was talking about PDL, but yea you're right about Woodcock's parents. I'm pretty sure I remember at least one fur coat, but it wasn't commented on... but could be another movie I watched recently, not sure...

this was as fantastic as everyone said. hard to pick a place to start but the score was just stunning.

saw this in 70 last night, found it to be good and interesting if emotionally unmoving (to me personally) and glorious to look at which is particularly impressive since almost all of it is just people talking in rooms. thumbs up but i couldn't really tell you why.

From the trailer I am really really not up for this.

I went to see it last night and I loved it. One of PTA's best yet. A peculiar tale about how lovers twist each other inside out with the rigid orderly setting of 50s Brit fashion making a apt setting. DDL will get the plaudits but I think Lesley Manville is the secret MVP

agreed. DDL is pretty unobtrusive in this, unlike everything else he's been in. for one thing he's playing a brit, and like we've discussed upthread, this movie works on a much more intimate scale than all of PTA's other movies. when I saw it a second time, Lesley Manville stuck out even more. just that closeup of her when the first girl is begging Reynolds to talk/pay attention to her.

i saw this last night and enjoyed it for reasons i didn't expect to -- it was much weirder and more complex than i thought it would be, and all within the polite confines of a movie about dresses/dressmaking

has the colossal NYE party been discussed? that struck me as one of the most OTT moments (the extras/costumes alone) and i am not quite sure what to make of it. is this a typical NYE party for 1950s England?!

Loved that party sequence, just imagining this one huge set piece with a ton of people that they got together and then filming around the fringes.

yeah La Lechera, it's kind of a monster movie, but the monsters are recognizable

i found the symbolism and archetypical (archetypal?) nature of their roles ("artist", "muse") really interesting as a canvas for interpretation
also it sure is a good year for odd couples, lol!

i am also interested in talking about cyril
she is the most mysterious character

Cyril doing the Hannibal Lecter sniff when she 1st meets alma

Not a huge PTA fan, but I loved this movie so much. Feels, more than any PTA movie I've seen, like a Kubrick film, with a compelling simple-on-the-surface story that seems to disguise a much bigger one, even if I can't place quite what it is yet. I really can't wait to see it again.

Agree that Cyril is the most mysterious character, aside from Reynolds' mom. Her scene cutting down DDL with a bare minimum of words and motion was one of the highlights, but for a woman who speaks her mind 100% of the time her motives are hard to read.

I need to get over my Cary Grant allergy and watch Suspicion. definitely echoes of Rebecca in this especially with Cyril.

She is more mysterious than her presumed model, Mrs Danvers in Rebecca
xp

or as Nigel Bruce's character calls her, "Danny"

yeah i was gonna say that, Danvers is a very explicit character

Surprised there isn't more love itt for Reynolds' offscreen line about putting some fresh cream in his oatmeal. "It is a bit naughty though, isn’t it?”

That was the big "oh shit, I'm the only person in the theater laughing" moment for me. But I think along with the hungry boy note it says a lot about his psyche.

Highly recommended

Hello, I have degraded Paul Thomas Anderson's cinematically mature, devilishly funny, and tonally sophisticated Phantom Thread by collecting my #tweets about it into a meme-clustering moment titled ⚡️ “Phantom Retreads”https://t.co/juwSU9znZf

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) February 7, 2018

PHANTOM THREAD (2017):

😋💬🐇🥚🥓🍶🍵.
🎀

💃🏻💘

😋💬🥓.
🎀

💃🏻❤️

😐💃🏻🏠
🎀

💃🏻🍽

🙄💭💥💣
🎀

🤫👉🏻🕰
🎀

💃🏻😍

😡📰
🎀

💃🏻😦

💃🏻🕯🌹🕯🍽

🙄
🎀

💃🏻😧

💃🏻🤔

💃🏻😃💡!

💃🏻🍄🌡⚰️

🤮
🚽

🤢💬💘💍👰🏻❤️💒?
🎀

💃🏻🤔

😧?!
🎀

💃🏻😜👍🏼

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) February 7, 2018

the dvdscr has leaked.

This was very good. Vicky Krieps is fantastic, It's a real shame she didn't get nominated. the film is about the mother but in a completely different way from I expected. I thought the very particular notations of measurements between Reynolds and Cyril at Alma's first fitting were leading towards a different kind of mothering denouement.

Best dress was the pale pink one he rescued the lace from Antwerp for.

There's something about Reynolds that reminds me of Lucien Freud. The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades. LF was very childlike too and very controlling of his muses and models.

meant to say that he had the same breakfast in the same place EVERY DAY.

The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades

Only two decades? Amateur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47287000/jpg/_47287745_gilbert_george_afp.jpg

ah yes, but they are just actors!

Mixed about the film, but his PJs were fire.

I kind of wanted it to end at the point where he asks her to marry him and she hesitates and you see him panic

Interesting you should mention Lucien Freud, Jed- I think I spotted a picture of his in Woodcock's country pad...

In this New Statesman review, Ryan Gilbey claims DDL is doing an "excellent Dirk Bogarde impression" - can't really hear it myself?

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2018/01/phantom-thread-more-compilation-outstanding-scenes-great-movie

I watched Bogarde in King and Country last night, and I don't hear it... Certainly not the way DDL was doing John Huston's voice in TWBB.

A Very Hungry Boy

I am still processing this but one thing that bothered me was Julia Davis's line "I don't want to be racist, but …". I very much doubt anyone would use that phrase in 1950s London, certainly not about someone white! Also, I'm dubious that British marriage ceremonies included the line "you may now kiss the bride" back then.

Entrancing film. Really something. Watched it last night and thought about it all day today. Vicky Krieps is indeed excellent and it goes to show the predictable myopia of American award ceremonies that she was overlooked.

well she's not from here

Ah. Yeah. Touché!

Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.

There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.

My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.

I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.

There’s a genuine narrative purpose in this case