RIP Mark E. Smith

Mainwaring/ Napoleon, same thing.

Mainwaring/ Napoleon/Smith, same thing :)

"don't panic!"

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/d/j/x/7/j/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349.1dg7oq.png/1471913713286.jpg

"Stupid boy" surely?

also: re the fall in slash magazine, there's a LOT (which still surprises me but it turns out that's my parochialism projected onto slash): mentioned on 56 pages in 29 issues

(most of them are capsule reviews on a larger page with other stuff but even so)

Is that the infamous "happy" photo of Riley arriving in NZ, which got printed in the local papers (Lie Dream of a Casino Soul was top 20 there!), and so hacked off MES that he fired him?

Yes, though I don't think that was the only reason. MES claimed that Riley wanted to wear a stetson when he played "Container Drivers", for instance.

Well, there was the incident earlier on that tour (shortly after arriving in Australia) where the band were drunkenly dancing to Rock The Casbah in some nightclub, so MES slapped them all. And Riley hit him back. They did an interview on TV the next morning, MES w/black eye.

The version I read said it was dancing to Deep Purple that was beyond the pale

The full details.

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1471318288/188/15625188.jpg

what was their Top 20 hit in New Zealand?

love the stetson hat story the most out of all these details (if true, even if not it's very funny)

also love the historical detour into the relationship the band had with the Slash scene

That poster that mark s. posted is A+.

"Lie Dream of a Casino Soul" got to #17 in NZ.

Great pair of pics.

I don't know about MES being bothered about Riley getting the magpic, he did make a joke about it on that live album. Which has the same photo on the front. Which did get MES approval until he found copies in UK shops before he'd received personal copies, at which point he insisted it get withdrawn.

Still, the MES photo would have been better - he looks a bit like Steve Marriott there.

The story I heard from Chris Knox or whichever NZ musician is that the music mags got distributed to NZ months before the actual songs being pumped up by the NME or whatever got distributed, which is why Joy Divison has a couple of top 5 hits in NZ

drunkenly dancing to Rock The Casbah

TO BE FAIR they were not slapped hard enough for this

Slapped hard with bonuses maybe

Still, the MES photo would have been better - he looks a bit like Steve Marriott there.

― Mark G, Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:53 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Feargal Sharkey, more like.

Marc Riley has a joker hysterical face

This should be a poll surely?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUeU4l7XcAARuZy.jpg:large

Harsh on Telly Savalas imo

Yes, a lot of that list deserves to be hated but not Kojak.

he is a tit tho

There's an article on Mark E Smith in the Waitrose free paper.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TuUOgzcfOeg/V2XBRTTzvrI/AAAAAAAAE2s/f4eB_81C0IIXhThpD3KpbGVAtUys9iaBQCLcB/s1600/Tina%2Bvs%2BErich.gif

Regarding L.A. 1979 gigs - there was an official CD release of the AntiClub gig - one of my fave Fall live recordings.

https://www.discogs.com/Fall-Live-From-The-Vaults-Los-Angeles-1979/release/994907

Wow, with a Pascal le Gras cover, no less.

The wonderful and frightening documentary is on bbc4 next Saturday

Xxxxpost not sure what he exactly "did" on it.but Claude Bessy gets a prominent thank you, literally, it says "TANK: Clde BESSY" on box for the Perverted by Language DVD. Didn't Catholic Discipline do the colorfully named punk chestnut "decadent jew"? I so, thats a rather Mark E Smithian title. Though he would more likely insert it into a line, rather than the title/chorus. Also, Big Thanks to the redoubtable Mr. Raggett on the awesome zine dls. Those are awesome to have around. And that pic of MES w/Chris D is classic!! Chris d smiling is pretty unusual. And MES looks so wasted, holy shit man. The pulled out pant pocket is a nice touch. Gives him thatch "just been rolled" look. Lol. Love you, Mark!! And will really miss catching new interviews and stuff, which often are more interesting than the later records. However, i can always dance to his vibrations for the rest of my crazy days. Thank you again and again Mr Smith.

Decadent Jew was by the Nuns.

The Nuns! O.k. Thanks. I figured someone here would correct me on that. Well, in that case, Catholic Discipline really didnt have ANY good material,I'm into C.B., as a human being/writer, but his band. Yeesh! BTW in the MES tribute at the world's finest Fall website theyve started posting DLable mp3s of various radio shows about MES, from BBC and other sources. Some great listening there.

Claude Bessey directed the "Kicker Conspiracy" and "Wings" vids.

I'm into C.B.

well done

MES seemed to have a pretty strong fascination with LA/West Coast early on, Claude, Richard Meltzer (Meltzer talks about he & MES ditching the "musicians" to go drink at some bar), Chris D, & MES, seemed to all be fast friends/drinking companions, which jesus christ seems like some serious trouble.

Mark apparently wanted to visit Compton and there's some early zine interview where he claims that Mexican dudes in low riders were all big Fall fans, which seems like his claim that only plumbers & working men came to their gigs in England.

Einar and MES, a match made in hell but they'll take you to heaven first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5q5J67Mrv0

seen on FB: "in the 15 years since The Fall released their greatest hits collection “50,000 Fall Fans Can’t Be Wrong,” it has sold 48,700 copies."

Brian of WFMU about 30 mins into a 3-hr tribute, listen now or later

http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/77281

the hip priest he just played was terrific

Is this the zine interview, chr1s?

http://jneomarvin.com/interviews-of-our-times/the-fall-unpublished-1981/

MES' West Coast fascination is pretty scrupulously documented in "C & C/ S. Mithering"

"in the 15 years since The Fall released their greatest hits collection “50,000 Fall Fans Can’t Be Wrong,” it has sold 48,700 copies."

fans already had those songs

I bought it anyway

Too fast to write
Too fast to work

As of today I have finally reached the stage where I am ready to just listen to tons and tons of fall for a long time

yeah, I've been revisiting some of the less familiar albums

also, boy do I have a lot of issues with this Ian Cusack piece:

http://payaso-de-mierda.blogspot.in/2018/01/mark-is-dead.html

the dismissal of the later records is so obstinate, he admits that he basically never listened to them but.... still hates them?

I think his timeline of the decline is more or less accurate, but he underrates everything after 1994 so comically that it undercuts the piece imo

Listened to Von Sudenfed today, so freakin' good. I'll be honest, I don't think I'd ever bother with Mouse On Mars if Mark wasn't fronting them. Mark did that alot, such a presence he had that anything he was on became his.

"The Rhinohead" - is Mark being auto-tuned? He kinda sounds like Colin Newman does these days.

It's a great record all the way through

xxpost

I really loved that piece because it was so personal but yeah calling later Fall a Killing Joke ripoff was a bit much, I got the sense he couldn't separate his feelings about MES's self destructiveness from the music

Yeah agreed

I've been starting from the beginning, listening to Live 77 a lot & Bingo Master's Break-Out, along w the earliest Witch Trials songs etc