the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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I think she will be right that there are loads of "leftist" misogynists but I can't help but wonder if she's maybe diverting attention

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link

i don't actually feel she's going to be in it for the long haul (ie i think the outlets currently embracing her to make a point will cast her aside really quite quickly)

mark s, Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link

She’s been in the Times today on those same points. Strange how all of the people rushing to amplify her opinion don’t seen keen to hear from Aditya Chakrabortty, David Lammy or any of the would-be affected tenants though. Just something about it...

gyac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link

50/50 on Kober being cast aside or being given her own LBC show.

nashwan, Saturday, 3 February 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link

We saw her Decca Aitkenhead interview today, right? DA is far from my favourite journalist but she made shot shrift of the idea that Kober had been the victim of sexist bullying.

While a controversial ex-council leader can expect to be the subject of coverage and interviews, this is extremely orchestrated and it would be very interesting to see who’s helping out with publicity and access here.

kim jong deal (suzy), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link

Might be a clue:

The corporate lobbyists are terrified of a Labour Party that can’t be bought pic.twitter.com/PIMI9lwDx4

— Matt Zarb-Cousin (@mattzarb) February 3, 2018

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/43avj3/the-london-lobbyist-with-ties-to-billions-of-pounds-of-gentrification

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link

quelle surprise

calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link

terrapins are usually good.

calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link

I will die of shock if Marr asks her about Terrapin.

kim jong deal (suzy), Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link

no doubt she'll be bricking it.

calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link

"We have been warning government from about 2013/14 that, with our financial position, we couldn't cope with the levels of cuts we were facing." So says the leader of a Tory council.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-42925660.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 February 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

Thankfully, Helen Lewis has thought long and hard about this whole thing, and graced the debate with the take it truly deserves:

Finally worked out why the Haringey Development Vehicle Row has become so totemic. It’s because it encapsulates the Corbynsceptics’ fear of what a Corbyn government would mean: virtuous paralysis.

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) February 3, 2018

To win the PR battle, the opponents of HDV should push hard what *their* solution to Haringey’s huge housing waiting list is. Make clear they want to do something, just not this.

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) February 3, 2018

gyac, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link

Worth also considering Zoe Williams’ reaction to those HL tweets - HL thought she was onto a winner describing Zoe’s position as ‘piety’ and Zoe publicly fed her into a wood chipper.

One of the questions I occasionally ask myself is why the ever-loving fuck would the New Statesman ever hire never mind promote someone happy to begin their career as a Daily Mail trainee?

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 05:30 (six years ago) link

that seems to be the NS's whole steez nowadays

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link

"We did a podcast"

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 February 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link

god don't even

i don't know what the right thread for this would be so fuck it, i'm here

my uber-boss insists on communicating via a vlog every week and the vanity of it...i can read anything you need to say in 30 secs, how dare you insist that i sit thru 4 minutes of you empathising in front of a camera, i can literally feel the life being sucked out of me while i do it

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link

lol

plax (ico), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link

i mean i do actually sympathise but

plax (ico), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link

i know, life goes on

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:27 (six years ago) link

Does helen lewis think the PR battle over the HDV is still in the balance lol

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:28 (six years ago) link

Momentum aren't even working class and at a meeting somebody sung menacing Sting lyrics at poor embattled Claire. Thousands of people on council house waiting lists, they need 600 grand flats not ideological dogma blah blah.

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link

Someone with a 4-bed house in Muswell Hill isn’t working-class either, so what was her point?

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 10:56 (six years ago) link

getting into the class-ist jibe game is a useful distraction from specious pro-gentrification arguments, I suppose. Fuck these people!

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link

Of course the entire council should have been sacked after they came up with this (enormous image warning):

http://www.thetottenhamindependent.co.uk/resources/images/4251780/

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link

real working class people are never working class, they're all racist Blairites, we love that shit

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:05 (six years ago) link

i meant we're never leftist but y'know, hangover

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:06 (six years ago) link

The Sunday Times are on a real tear re: Momentum and the ‘hard left’ atm.

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:11 (six years ago) link

Three cheers and all the alcohol to the advertising agency who made Haringey’s new corporate identity out of RED TAPE. If Claire Kober had final sign-off on that, she’s far more stupid than previously imagined.

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link

Lmao, like that scene in yes minister where they're considering an ad campaign to promote the civil service- "how about, red tape... binds the nation together"

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:19 (six years ago) link

I wonder if it's the same jerk-off agency that did the Olympics logo.

calzino, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:22 (six years ago) link

i like its solid functional/institutional colour and bow-legged self-satisfaction:
https://media.glassdoor.com/sqll/802409/london-borough-of-hackney-squarelogo-1437118040087.png

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:24 (six years ago) link

the 2015 PR week piece mocking the haringey -- including its price, £86,000 -- is oddly coy abt the agency that came up with it: https://www.prweek.com/article/1365407/haringey-council-rebrand-ridiculed-childish

One resident told a newspaper: "The logo looks like it was made by a child with a marker pen." Another said: "It looks like a sign for Nandos"

^^0/2 for resident critical skills there IMO

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:29 (six years ago) link

"Haringey is more than just a place - it is an attitude"

well hackney is more than an attitude, it is a revolutionary morality and a fully effective praxis *sticks tongue out*

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

https://londonist.com/london/opinion/every-single-london-borough-logo-critiqued - all of them here in one place.

Meanwhile, this bill is being introduced next week:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-proposes-new-law-would-11964577

Protesters who disrupted a speech by Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg would face up to 12 months in jail under a new law proposed by Theresa May.

On Tuesday the PM will unveil plans to create a new offence of intimidation in public life in a speech to mark 100 years of votes for women.

She will say: “British democracy has always been robust and oppositional but a line is crossed when disagreement mutates into intimidation.”

The new law, due to come in early next year, will also cover threats made on social media.

gyac, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

JR-M should have brought his nanny to the meeting.

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link

On Tuesday the PM will unveil plans to create a new offence of intimidation in public life in a speech to mark 100 years of votes for women.

??!?!??!???!!?!!?!?!!?!???!!

imago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link

Indeed, has she ever heard of the Suffragettes?

Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link

bit of luck she'll throw herself in front of a racehorse

drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link

are they just trolling at this point

imago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link

a line is crossed when disagreement mutates into intimidation

https://redpowermedia.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/kettling-police-tactic-riot-protest.jpg

i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 4 February 2018 11:56 (six years ago) link

That Lewis / Williams fight is incredible!

It's good to see someone stand up to HL this way. My respect for ZW just increased a lot.

Leaving aside content, HL's contribution to the debate is deeply flawed as she turns it aggressive by saying 'spare me the piety', when ZW had not been engaging in a personal attack - then HL turns innocent and wonders why ZW is being unkind.

the pinefox, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link

I know we've moved on but can I just

my uber-boss insists on communicating via a vlog every week and the vanity of it..

Good grief... Pour one out for our friend here.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link

I find it odd that people now communicate ideas via speech, podcasts, videos -- I find writing and reading much quicker and more manageable. Messages from management via podcast seems a bad idea.

the pinefox, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:30 (six years ago) link

Absolutely. I'd never force anyone to have to look at my face, either. That's some cold shit.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link

As a veteran of two different good-not-bad shows for Resonance, I think radio is potentially a great medium for conversations where you have to do your thinking out loud on your feet, which can be exciting to listen to, and has virtues that writing doesn't have: the problem with many podcasts is that the extremely terrible editing does nothing to improve the contributions of the hopelessly useless participants.

(Plus politics is less about live evolving thought than the deployment of stances: which gets old very fast…)

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:44 (six years ago) link

ILX politics'n'music show on Resonance? :D

imago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link

"GULAG OR GUILLOTINE: we propose, the mob will dispose"

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link

(ps by "on your feet" i actually mean "sat down", resonance has chairs)

mark s, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link

A tangent, but when I was 18, Dan Z Wilson and L Voag's Resonance shows incinerated my brain! Is there anything like that (but maybe even better) now?

imago, Sunday, 4 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link


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