Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Putting Thurman in harm’s way by dismissing her objections to using a vehicle she was worried was unsafe and subsequently keeping the footage of the crash from her goes a bit beyond that.

Not sure why we need another thread to turn into a pile-on about how Tarantino’s movies are bad not good

― El Tomboto, Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:39 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah exactly it's just boring. there's A LOT to talk about w/r/t this story with Weinstein & Tarantino, as gyac mentioned above.

I just rewatched Kill Bill 1&2 a month ago. I still found really great parts of the movie but the entire hospital scene with Buck was some extreme pervy/predator bullshit.

― Yerac

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― flappy bird, Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:25 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah newsflash the scene where the guy bribes nurses so he can fuck comatose patients is extremely pervy. almost like something a rapist predator would do. jesus christ.

― flappy bird, Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:27 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think women are allowed to be creeped out by this scene if they feel Tarantino's "issues" may have informed it.

That was my point as well. No need to dissect his movies with a 'but you can't disconnect the creator from his work' etc, when this thread is about misogyny and abuse of women.

xp

lol i'm not creep policing ("allowed"?), i'm just saying it's a really disturbing scene, maybe one of the creepiest in his whole body of work, and always has been

Sorry I said "allowed" after you went "....." and "newsflash" and "Jesus Christ" at a female poster over her discomfort about a rape scene in a movie

That scene never stood out to me in the film, like say, the "gimp" scene in PF. Now watching it as a much older, informed viewer it was super ugh to rewatch. The scene is juvenile and degrading (especially to the viewer.) Just all these rapey scenes in movies/tv, what real purpose are they serving?

being flippant & sarcastic has nothing to do with "allowing" or preventing anyone from feeling anything

xp gotcha. i think in both cases it's just a setup for particularly brutal revenge kill scenes. beatrix biting buck's tongue off, slamming his head in a door, that rules. same with bruce willis stabbing the dude with the katana. certainly many gratuitous & pointless rape scenes in pop culture but i wouldn't imo say that about these scenes. but thats just imo

Cool QT, you want to write rapey scenes as a little bit of comedic relief. Go nuts.

I have enjoyed some of Tarantino's work over the past twenty years since Jackie Brown but I also remember when his career held real cinematic promise w/those few three films (Morbius -- I know, I know)

He's become more juvenile the older he gets, indulging in his worst instincts rather than honing his best ones.

See and I thought it was gratuitous, not really needed for the plot and adds to the huge problem of, in this case, directors degrading and abusing their female actors. Didn't it even come out recently that the butter scene in Last Tango in Paris was a surprise to the actress?

Schneider told that story about a decade ago. Ofcourse she wasn't fully believed and up until today it comes up because people question it.

I'm glad that Keira Knightly actually stated that she tends not to do modern movies because the character is nearly always raped.

People have noticed that the Uma piece was relegated to the Opinion section, which strikes me as kind of awful. Does anyone know if it might serve as a way to provide legal cover? (It sounds dubious to me but it's the only justification I can think of.)

probably because maureen dowd is normally an opinion writer?

I just looked up the Salma Hayek one and it's listed under Opinion too.

Right, and the dodgy framing device is the quirk of a hacky opinion writer. So why assign her for a story that's not at all suited to be structured as an opinion piece? (I'm trying to figure out if it's poor editorial choices or a careful calculation of some kind. Probably the former.) xp

Was an Opinion writer also assigned to the Hayek piece?

it's also possible that UT selected the writer she wanted to work with

Salma Hayek and Sarah Polley had only their names on the byline. I was trying to think of other NYT's recent opinion pieces.

it's also possible that UT selected the writer she wanted to work with

Sure.

Pretty sure the Lupita piece was her byline and in opinion as well
Prob absolves NYT of libel lawsuits I guess?

That's what I'm thinking, yeah.

I'd be surprised if it mattered, but I'm not a lawyer

Regarding other criticism of the piece... does anyone know what Matt means here? I’ve seen other people criticize Dowd’s writing in the piece but don’t know why. Not being sarcastic, genuinely curious.

If Maureen Dowd were a film director, she'd be the kind that makes sure to include what she thinks is her "signature" even when it's grossly inappropriate to the subject. Uma Thurman's bravery deserved better than her gimmicks, though the power of the story ultimately won out.

— MZS (@mattzollerseitz) February 3, 2018

dated pop culture references

and that is all the discussion that deserves here

Go on

I thought it was aimed at details like pizza boxes in the fireplace, the tear rolling down Uma's cheek, 'tarantinto aficionados will recognize' (ie. she recognizes). It's hardly worth criticizing. But then it's twitter, so yeah.

i'm sure uma thurman was familiar with dowd's work before she agreed to be interviewed by her. this is a dumb thing to be mad about. the piece was successful in getting her story across.

Absolutely.

All the writer's smirky references to Tarantino movies in that piece about assault were fuckin *corn emoji*

By Thanksgiving, Thurman had begun to unsheathe her Hattori Hanzo,

Like Uma is a hero for this and deserves better than having to be Ready Player One'd for this article

Ha, I wonder if I saw this tweet

Uma deserved better than Maureen Dowd

— J. Escobedo Shepherd (@jawnita) February 3, 2018

i am glad Uma got the video & that she made it public. QT’s behaviour infuriates me. Not only for playing out his own torture fantasies but for his cowardice & ineffectualness. Because if ~anyone~ was in a position to shame HW into cutting his shit out or protecting Thurman ~at the very least~, it could have been QT. Operative word being COULD & that’s a fantasy bcz he didn’t. For fuck’s sake Rodriguez leveraged his job & put himself between Weinstein & McGowan and at least tried to help in a proactive, decent way. At least on the way it was told. But RR is maybe more grounded & respects his female stars more than QT idk.

QT releasing that video to Thurman is the ONLY thing could ever be remotely measured as anything close to a tangible apology. It’ll never be enough but it’s a penny in the jar as far as penance goes. I hope he feels as much shame as he should now that the video finally sees the light of day. Because she’s a goddamn human being & she deserves to be treated as such. Not to be misused by cowards & creeps.

And for anyone waiting to parse me no I am not advocating pounds of flesh across the board. In THIS instance, in these circumtances, is all I am talking about.

And liking or not liking QT movies has nothing to do with this.

All the writer's smirky references to Tarantino movies in that piece about assault were fuckin *corn emoji*

you write as if you are new to the work of ms maureen dowd (if you are, i am envious)

The Rose McGowan thing from her reading the other night just got even uglier.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/transwoman-who-heckled-rose-mcgowan-is-a-known-sexual-predator-claim-women/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

ok the first sentence in that piece is horrible even if this person is a sexual predator

i investigated the blog it came from and wow, never lost something from a terf blog here again imo

never post*

Yeah, I don't doubt the claims against Dier, but gendertrender is a long-running anti-trans hate site and should be approached with extreme caution.

oh fuck I didn't realize it was a TERF site. God damn it.

it’s ok phil <3

The Rose McGowan thing from her reading the other night just got even uglier.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2018/02/02/transwoman-who-heckled-rose-mcgowan-is-a-known-sexual-predator-claim-women/amp/?__twitter_impression=true🕸

ugh xposts everyone otm

yikes at that terf writeup

in other gross predator news

https://washingtonpost.com/business/economy/he-helped-halle-berry-and-taraji-henson-to-stardom-now-9-minority-women-are-accusing-him-of-sexual-harassment/2018/02/02/259e8196-f590-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html

Which reminds me that Adrien Brody still needs to fucking apologize to Halle Berry.