PHANTOM THREAD: Paul Tomas Anderson, Daniel Day-Lewis, Fifties London

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Cyril doing the Hannibal Lecter sniff when she 1st meets alma

scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link

Not a huge PTA fan, but I loved this movie so much. Feels, more than any PTA movie I've seen, like a Kubrick film, with a compelling simple-on-the-surface story that seems to disguise a much bigger one, even if I can't place quite what it is yet. I really can't wait to see it again.

Agree that Cyril is the most mysterious character, aside from Reynolds' mom. Her scene cutting down DDL with a bare minimum of words and motion was one of the highlights, but for a woman who speaks her mind 100% of the time her motives are hard to read.

Evan R, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link

I need to get over my Cary Grant allergy and watch Suspicion. definitely echoes of Rebecca in this especially with Cyril.

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link

She is more mysterious than her presumed model, Mrs Danvers in Rebecca
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ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link

or as Nigel Bruce's character calls her, "Danny"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link

yeah i was gonna say that, Danvers is a very explicit character

flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link

Surprised there isn't more love itt for Reynolds' offscreen line about putting some fresh cream in his oatmeal. "It is a bit naughty though, isn’t it?”

That was the big "oh shit, I'm the only person in the theater laughing" moment for me. But I think along with the hungry boy note it says a lot about his psyche.

Evan R, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link

Highly recommended

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flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link

the dvdscr has leaked.

calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link

This was very good. Vicky Krieps is fantastic, It's a real shame she didn't get nominated. the film is about the mother but in a completely different way from I expected. I thought the very particular notations of measurements between Reynolds and Cyril at Alma's first fitting were leading towards a different kind of mothering denouement.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link

Best dress was the pale pink one he rescued the lace from Antwerp for.

There's something about Reynolds that reminds me of Lucien Freud. The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades. LF was very childlike too and very controlling of his muses and models.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link

meant to say that he had the same breakfast in the same place EVERY DAY.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link

The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades

Only two decades? Amateur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47287000/jpg/_47287745_gilbert_george_afp.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

ah yes, but they are just actors!

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link

Mixed about the film, but his PJs were fire.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link

I kind of wanted it to end at the point where he asks her to marry him and she hesitates and you see him panic

i know kore-eda (or something), Thursday, 8 February 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link

Interesting you should mention Lucien Freud, Jed- I think I spotted a picture of his in Woodcock's country pad...

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 8 February 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link

In this New Statesman review, Ryan Gilbey claims DDL is doing an "excellent Dirk Bogarde impression" - can't really hear it myself?

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2018/01/phantom-thread-more-compilation-outstanding-scenes-great-movie

Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link

I watched Bogarde in King and Country last night, and I don't hear it... Certainly not the way DDL was doing John Huston's voice in TWBB.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link

A Very Hungry Boy

mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link

I am still processing this but one thing that bothered me was Julia Davis's line "I don't want to be racist, but …". I very much doubt anyone would use that phrase in 1950s London, certainly not about someone white! Also, I'm dubious that British marriage ceremonies included the line "you may now kiss the bride" back then.

Alba, Friday, 9 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link

Entrancing film. Really something. Watched it last night and thought about it all day today. Vicky Krieps is indeed excellent and it goes to show the predictable myopia of American award ceremonies that she was overlooked.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link

well she's not from here

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 07:14 (six years ago) link

Ah. Yeah. Touché!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link

Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link

There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.

WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link

My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.

clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link

I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.

MaresNest, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link

There’s a genuine narrative purpose in this case

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link

I would never accuse him of hiding a fuck

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link

Lol @ URL

Hi diddley dee, hen fapper's life for me (Neanderthal), Saturday, 10 February 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link

At Cinerama in Seattle for my third viewing.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link

silby I was there too!

also G&G were in Mangal 2 when I went there

Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 12 February 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link

they're doing this w/ live orchestra in Brooklyn. $35, feh.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:43 (six years ago) link

ha they are great

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 04:49 (six years ago) link

The only review that makes me want to watch this:

https://blindfieldjournal.com/2018/02/09/fuck-off-to-back-where-you-came-from-notes-on-the-phantom-thread/

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:21 (six years ago) link

that's a really good review

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 February 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link

See: designers, chefs, etc.

The masculine gentleman ‘artist’ appropriates the craft of proletarian women like his mother (sewing) and turns it into a private source of immense surplus-value in the production of aristocratic white femininity. This is a regime of value centrally predicated on the normative devaluation of most women: be they lower-class, ‘unladylike,’ fat, not fat enough, old, queer, unpretty, migrant, non-white or otherwise monstrous. This is my time, says Reynolds.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link

It's perceptive when it's not leaning on jargon.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

I missed the whole Alma/Holocaust connection, hadn't heard or read anything about that.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link

You can always use google for jargon.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link

I agree with most of the arguments; it's that sentences like these are ungainly:

The Phantom Thread is a morbid depiction of social reproduction, where the gender division of labor appears as a toxic metabolism or circuit of necrotic value. The brutal poison of reification flows forth from Reynolds, attacking Alma’s body, and returns back again in the form of a deadly mushroom, penetrating Reynolds.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link

yeah no

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link

I like the shapes you get into when the unfamiliar concepts are used. Leading to that last sentence.

Read it yesterday and iirc (and for someone who hasn't seen it) that bit is possibly the toughest xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

wtf

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link

lol it definitely does seem like it's coming directly from the polar opposite of how you approach and enjoy movies, Veg!

I can appreciate a lot of approaches but there were a few passages in that review where I was thinking the interpretation of the film's narrative was being stretched a little far in service of the points being rationalized

mh, Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link

does he get paid by the syllable or

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 15 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link


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